2019奧斯卡最爭議的最佳影片 幸福綠皮書 - 電影

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: 前情請見上述,接著是回應:
: 這就是我聽前文提供的錄音一直抱持疑問的地方,因為我聽不出有「好友」的關係,國外
: 網友也提到:「That doesn't prove anything. Yes because you have a few tapes
: that show that they were cordial to each other doesn't mean they were friends
: 」
: https://goo.gl/1v7epX
: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/feb/07/green-book-oscars-fact-check-true/
: 於是我找到一篇Fact-check的文章,本來懶得發文,但為了好好回應還是發吧。首先,錄
: 音檔是二手資料,出自一部紀錄片叫《Lost Bohemia》。轉譯文字是:"I trusted him
: implicitly," Shirley told Astor in an outtake from "Lost Bohemia." "You see,
: Tony got to be, not only was he my driver… we never had an employer-employee
: relationship, you don't have time for that foolishness. My life is in this
: man's hands, do you understand me? So we got to be friendly with one another.
: I taught him English..."
: 這段話其實不是Don在說他們是好友,而是說他的生命交在Tony(司機)身上,他(Don)
: 得相信他(Tony),沒有力氣計較雇傭關係,所以他們必須(需要)對彼此友善(So we
: got to be friendly with one another.),最後提到他會教Tony英文之類的事。
: 文章也提到Don的學生說關於教學這部分的陳述符合他的性格。
你是不是以為好友關係要像FB那樣設定關係
別忘了,這段公路旅程實際上走了一年半
誰都知道找伴長途旅行多容易撕破臉
更何況要走一年半到充滿危險的地方
再回憶一次,你說"沒有友情,只是僱傭關係"
和Don的說法絕對是有著更大的差距
"不只是司機和僱傭關係,交付生命安全
對雙方Friendly(各自解讀lol),還教英文"
不敢說是什麼終生好友啦,但跟你這種說法絕對是差更遠更遠~
: 雖說沒時間計較,Don對兩人的從屬關係是很明確的:...the reasons were
: illustrated in the film. "Tony would not open the door, he would not take any
: bags, he would take his (chauffeur's) cap off when Donald got out of the car,
: and several times Donald would find him with the cap off, and confronted
: him," Maurice said.
: 也因此Don的家人並不認為他們是朋友,只是雇主和員工,在Don辭掉Tony後就沒有特別的
: 關係。
照這個標準
Don把遺產交給兩個住附近的年輕人
包括搬家、遺願都是這兩位幫忙的
認為那些親戚算不上什麼家人也很合理囉
: 這篇Fact-check做了很多確認,有興趣的人可以自行點進去看原文,比方說Don Shirley
: 其實沒有被逮捕,以及對當時民情的錯誤,詳情文長不便轉述。
: 另外相較Tony方面豐富的素材(信件和錄音檔),前文提供的Don的錄音檔只是二手資料
: (實際上是轉錄檔),實在看不出Don本人對拍攝電影的意向為何。事實上,Shirley家族
: 有提到Don拒絕了拍攝電影的要求,因為他不知道自己在銀幕前會被詮釋成什麼樣子,但
: 這部電影還是在Don死後拍了,在Shirley家族全然不知情的情況下。
: 電影的素材絕大部分都來自Tony(由Tony的兒子,也就是編劇錄音),而不是Don。雖然
: Don後來在紐約生活,但在電影背景的那個年代,Don和家人們的關係仍相當緊密,但編劇
: 選擇跳過,也因此Don這方面的資料相對稀缺和未可證。
: https://i.imgur.com/Kx0nyxM.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/JGULmh5.jpg
: 此外,劇組對為何不聯繫Don還在世的的家人,前後說詞有些出入,導演怪實習生沒有聯
: 繫到他們,編劇說是Don要求他在自己死後才製作電影,不要有第三人(其中包括Shirlay
: 家族),而且編劇也不知道Don的家人是真的存在,卻在一篇訪問中提及有過跟第三者合作
: 劇本的協議。
: 但Don的家人真的那麼神祕,簡直銷聲匿跡嗎?根據至今還在世的Maurice所述(Don有三
: 個兄弟,和電影敘述不一致,而且都是高知識份子),Don去世前他們一直保持著聯繫,
: 事實上在Don過世的2013年,紐約時報寫過一篇關於Don離世的報導,其中就提到了他還在
: 世的家人(Maurice和Edwina)。
別忘了
Don的繼承人對電影中的詮釋表示讚賞
他們才是真正朝夕相處的家人
不過你好像一直無視繼承人的說法,呵呵。
---
講了這麼久你到底有沒有看過電影啊?
為了滿足你的意識形態,無法評論電影內容
就這樣一直講一堆電影以外的風聲還真堅持
要這樣雞蛋挑骨頭的話
那黑色黨徒怎麼辦? XD
--
: 這就是我聽前文提供的錄音一直抱持疑問的地方,因為我聽不出有「好友」的關係,國外
: 網友也提到:「That doesn't prove anything. Yes because you have a few tapes
: that show that they were cordial to each other doesn't mean they were friends
: 」
: https://goo.gl/1v7epX
: https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2019/feb/07/green-book-oscars-fact-check-true/
: 於是我找到一篇Fact-check的文章,本來懶得發文,但為了好好回應還是發吧。首先,錄
: 音檔是二手資料,出自一部紀錄片叫《Lost Bohemia》。轉譯文字是:"I trusted him
: implicitly," Shirley told Astor in an outtake from "Lost Bohemia." "You see,
: Tony got to be, not only was he my driver… we never had an employer-employee
: relationship, you don't have time for that foolishness. My life is in this
: man's hands, do you understand me? So we got to be friendly with one another.
: I taught him English..."
: 這段話其實不是Don在說他們是好友,而是說他的生命交在Tony(司機)身上,他(Don)
: 得相信他(Tony),沒有力氣計較雇傭關係,所以他們必須(需要)對彼此友善(So we
: got to be friendly with one another.),最後提到他會教Tony英文之類的事。
: 文章也提到Don的學生說關於教學這部分的陳述符合他的性格。
你是不是以為好友關係要像FB那樣設定關係
別忘了,這段公路旅程實際上走了一年半
誰都知道找伴長途旅行多容易撕破臉
更何況要走一年半到充滿危險的地方
再回憶一次,你說"沒有友情,只是僱傭關係"
和Don的說法絕對是有著更大的差距
"不只是司機和僱傭關係,交付生命安全
對雙方Friendly(各自解讀lol),還教英文"
不敢說是什麼終生好友啦,但跟你這種說法絕對是差更遠更遠~
→ Greein : 樓上說的就是這部電影的另一個爭議,根據Don家人的02/27 08:44
→ Greein : 說法,電影中的Don和本人形象相距甚遠,兩人更沒有02/27 08:44
→ Greein : 所謂的友情,只是僱傭關係,電影製作過程也未曾知會02/27 08:44
→ Greein : 過他們。而編劇說是Don要求不要聯繫家人,也因為逝 02/27 08:44
→ Greein : 者已矣,死無對證。 02/27 08:44
: 雖說沒時間計較,Don對兩人的從屬關係是很明確的:...the reasons were
: illustrated in the film. "Tony would not open the door, he would not take any
: bags, he would take his (chauffeur's) cap off when Donald got out of the car,
: and several times Donald would find him with the cap off, and confronted
: him," Maurice said.
: 也因此Don的家人並不認為他們是朋友,只是雇主和員工,在Don辭掉Tony後就沒有特別的
: 關係。
照這個標準
Don把遺產交給兩個住附近的年輕人
包括搬家、遺願都是這兩位幫忙的
認為那些親戚算不上什麼家人也很合理囉
: 這篇Fact-check做了很多確認,有興趣的人可以自行點進去看原文,比方說Don Shirley
: 其實沒有被逮捕,以及對當時民情的錯誤,詳情文長不便轉述。
: 另外相較Tony方面豐富的素材(信件和錄音檔),前文提供的Don的錄音檔只是二手資料
: (實際上是轉錄檔),實在看不出Don本人對拍攝電影的意向為何。事實上,Shirley家族
: 有提到Don拒絕了拍攝電影的要求,因為他不知道自己在銀幕前會被詮釋成什麼樣子,但
: 這部電影還是在Don死後拍了,在Shirley家族全然不知情的情況下。
: 電影的素材絕大部分都來自Tony(由Tony的兒子,也就是編劇錄音),而不是Don。雖然
: Don後來在紐約生活,但在電影背景的那個年代,Don和家人們的關係仍相當緊密,但編劇
: 選擇跳過,也因此Don這方面的資料相對稀缺和未可證。
: https://i.imgur.com/Kx0nyxM.jpg
: https://i.imgur.com/JGULmh5.jpg
: 此外,劇組對為何不聯繫Don還在世的的家人,前後說詞有些出入,導演怪實習生沒有聯
: 繫到他們,編劇說是Don要求他在自己死後才製作電影,不要有第三人(其中包括Shirlay
: 家族),而且編劇也不知道Don的家人是真的存在,卻在一篇訪問中提及有過跟第三者合作
: 劇本的協議。
: 但Don的家人真的那麼神祕,簡直銷聲匿跡嗎?根據至今還在世的Maurice所述(Don有三
: 個兄弟,和電影敘述不一致,而且都是高知識份子),Don去世前他們一直保持著聯繫,
: 事實上在Don過世的2013年,紐約時報寫過一篇關於Don離世的報導,其中就提到了他還在
: 世的家人(Maurice和Edwina)。
別忘了
Don的繼承人對電影中的詮釋表示讚賞
他們才是真正朝夕相處的家人
不過你好像一直無視繼承人的說法,呵呵。
---
講了這麼久你到底有沒有看過電影啊?
為了滿足你的意識形態,無法評論電影內容
就這樣一直講一堆電影以外的風聲還真堅持
要這樣雞蛋挑骨頭的話
那黑色黨徒怎麼辦? XD
--
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