GOT為什麼沒人當場質疑布蘭的候選資格? - 歐美
By Hedda
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※ 引述《momocom (momocom)》之銘言:
: 王的候選資格,基本上至少要有下列兩個:
: 1.七國的大公爵或繼承人
: 這是從歷史和劇情常理推測,如果只要沾上一點貴族血統就有資格,選王會議也不會才來
: 那個幾個
: 其中臨冬城應該只有珊莎一票,阿雅和布蘭都是出席無投票資格,不然北境一地
: 就三票了(阿雅不知道在Aye三小朋友)
: 好了問題來了,臨冬城公爵夫人是珊莎,布蘭連投票權都沒有,憑什麼選王?
: 不過這個問題我們打寬一點好了,因為珊莎沒有子嗣,從實質影響力的角度,
: 布蘭就是繼承人,雖然他說過不想繼承家業。
從歷史上最接近的情況來看是最接近神聖羅馬帝國在金璽詔書頒布後由三個教會諸侯
跟四個世俗諸侯組成七位選帝侯,在頒布後第一次選出的是波希米亞國王西吉斯蒙德
,他同時身兼選帝侯沒錯,但在之後的哈布斯堡時期,從腓特烈三世->馬克西米連一世
->查理五世,他們都僅僅是奧地利大公,而不具有選帝侯身分,要一直到斐迪南一世
時當時匈牙利兼波希米亞國王戰死,他被選為兩國國王,之後奧地利大公才開始長期
兼任波希米亞國王。
所以皇帝當選人一直都沒有說需要是選侯(有投票權),只要你在選侯國內有影響力就行
,所以選出布蘭也沒什麼問題,雖然正常來看在北境脫離後他在君臨以外會很難有影響力
就是。
: 2. 北境都要獨立了,臨冬城公爵(繼承人)憑什麼當王?
: 這個才是問題所在,你都要獨立了,結果臨冬城繼承人跑來選王?
: 你姊當北境女王,你當六國之王全境守護,全天下都給你們史塔克家拿去玩好啦
: 這就跟英國剛輪值歐盟執委會主席,結果英國下一秒脫歐,請問英國首相要如何在執委會
: 領導歐盟?
波蘭立陶宛在齊格蒙特·奧古斯特死後開始選王制,第一個選出來的國王就是法國瓦盧
瓦王朝的亨里克五世,雖然他只待了六個月就回法國了XD
而之後波蘭也同樣有選出瑞典人跟德國人(薩克森的韋廷家族)
所以外國人也是可以在選王制下當王的。
剛想到補充一下,在各國議會興起後找不到國王時就找一個外國人來當國王也是很常見
,著名的向是比利時、挪威等建國後找國外貴族來當國王,而非剛建國卻選擇找外國人
當國王的例子中最有名的應該就是瑞典國王卡爾十四世,他另一個頭銜是法國元帥,拿
皇手下的得意將領貝納多特,他甚至連瑞典語都不會講XD,更在反法同盟中跟他原本的
同僚作戰,還打敗烏迪諾跟內伊。
: 這牽涉到另一個更嚴肅的問題,就是國王沒有領地
: 歐洲中世紀的國王,既不像中國皇帝「普天之下,莫非王土」,也不像現代中央集權,
: 由國稅局統收再來地方統籌分配款
: 國王有國王的領地,諸侯有諸侯的領地,平常大家各收各的,頂多打仗或蓋皇宮什麼的
: 請底下諸侯支援一下
: 以前英國有個約翰「失地王」(John the Lackland),獅心王的弟弟,就是因為太廢了
: ,把祖傳封地全部敗光,所以得到這個稱號。因為沒封地被看衰小,最後在貴族的壓力下
: 簽下「大憲章」,自我限縮王權,成為王室之恥。
: 失地王即位的時候好歹還有封地,布蘭是即位的時候北境秒獨立,請問他用什麼身份當
: 王?
: 就算他可以繼承君臨(龍家封地),但君臨都炸爛了
: 所以看開御前會議時,小惡魔還想從波隆那邊挖錢,就很想笑。如果君臨的重建、王室
: 的日常用度都是高庭出錢,布蘭很快就會出意外,國王很快就會叫波隆。
: 這才是權力遊戲的本質
--
: 王的候選資格,基本上至少要有下列兩個:
: 1.七國的大公爵或繼承人
: 這是從歷史和劇情常理推測,如果只要沾上一點貴族血統就有資格,選王會議也不會才來
: 那個幾個
: 其中臨冬城應該只有珊莎一票,阿雅和布蘭都是出席無投票資格,不然北境一地
: 就三票了(阿雅不知道在Aye三小朋友)
: 好了問題來了,臨冬城公爵夫人是珊莎,布蘭連投票權都沒有,憑什麼選王?
: 不過這個問題我們打寬一點好了,因為珊莎沒有子嗣,從實質影響力的角度,
: 布蘭就是繼承人,雖然他說過不想繼承家業。
從歷史上最接近的情況來看是最接近神聖羅馬帝國在金璽詔書頒布後由三個教會諸侯
跟四個世俗諸侯組成七位選帝侯,在頒布後第一次選出的是波希米亞國王西吉斯蒙德
,他同時身兼選帝侯沒錯,但在之後的哈布斯堡時期,從腓特烈三世->馬克西米連一世
->查理五世,他們都僅僅是奧地利大公,而不具有選帝侯身分,要一直到斐迪南一世
時當時匈牙利兼波希米亞國王戰死,他被選為兩國國王,之後奧地利大公才開始長期
兼任波希米亞國王。
所以皇帝當選人一直都沒有說需要是選侯(有投票權),只要你在選侯國內有影響力就行
,所以選出布蘭也沒什麼問題,雖然正常來看在北境脫離後他在君臨以外會很難有影響力
就是。
: 2. 北境都要獨立了,臨冬城公爵(繼承人)憑什麼當王?
: 這個才是問題所在,你都要獨立了,結果臨冬城繼承人跑來選王?
: 你姊當北境女王,你當六國之王全境守護,全天下都給你們史塔克家拿去玩好啦
: 這就跟英國剛輪值歐盟執委會主席,結果英國下一秒脫歐,請問英國首相要如何在執委會
: 領導歐盟?
波蘭立陶宛在齊格蒙特·奧古斯特死後開始選王制,第一個選出來的國王就是法國瓦盧
瓦王朝的亨里克五世,雖然他只待了六個月就回法國了XD
而之後波蘭也同樣有選出瑞典人跟德國人(薩克森的韋廷家族)
所以外國人也是可以在選王制下當王的。
剛想到補充一下,在各國議會興起後找不到國王時就找一個外國人來當國王也是很常見
,著名的向是比利時、挪威等建國後找國外貴族來當國王,而非剛建國卻選擇找外國人
當國王的例子中最有名的應該就是瑞典國王卡爾十四世,他另一個頭銜是法國元帥,拿
皇手下的得意將領貝納多特,他甚至連瑞典語都不會講XD,更在反法同盟中跟他原本的
同僚作戰,還打敗烏迪諾跟內伊。
: 這牽涉到另一個更嚴肅的問題,就是國王沒有領地
: 歐洲中世紀的國王,既不像中國皇帝「普天之下,莫非王土」,也不像現代中央集權,
: 由國稅局統收再來地方統籌分配款
: 國王有國王的領地,諸侯有諸侯的領地,平常大家各收各的,頂多打仗或蓋皇宮什麼的
: 請底下諸侯支援一下
: 以前英國有個約翰「失地王」(John the Lackland),獅心王的弟弟,就是因為太廢了
: ,把祖傳封地全部敗光,所以得到這個稱號。因為沒封地被看衰小,最後在貴族的壓力下
: 簽下「大憲章」,自我限縮王權,成為王室之恥。
: 失地王即位的時候好歹還有封地,布蘭是即位的時候北境秒獨立,請問他用什麼身份當
: 王?
: 就算他可以繼承君臨(龍家封地),但君臨都炸爛了
: 所以看開御前會議時,小惡魔還想從波隆那邊挖錢,就很想笑。如果君臨的重建、王室
: 的日常用度都是高庭出錢,布蘭很快就會出意外,國王很快就會叫波隆。
: 這才是權力遊戲的本質
--
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