三句破解魔戒 - 電影
By Ina
at 2011-03-31T09:11
at 2011-03-31T09:11
Table of Contents
※ 引述《twcitizen ()》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《GyroZ (傑洛)》之銘言:
: : 我想你沒搞懂我文章的意思
: : 魔戒誰拿根本不是重點
: : 重點是亡靈的出現用了一種Deus ex machina的手法
: 其實機械神出現很多次
: 遠在9人遠征團出發之前
: 佛羅多聽從甘道夫去小馬飯店(誤?)找亞拉岡的時候
: 佛羅多,小胖,梅理,皮聘一行人
: 就差點在森林裡迷路,被一個喪屍王給吃了
: 這個時候,湯姆 這個謎一般的神級人物(他到底是不是至上神?)
: 給救了
: : 這種方式一般來說是很糟糕的手法
: : 通常用來處理失控的劇情
: 電影是電影,小說是小說,這一段也有鋪陳很久
: 只是東西太多電影塞不下
: : 電影裡亡靈的出現只是為了解決打不贏的戰爭
: : 突然的發現一座山裡有一票無敵的傭兵
: : 救完剛鐸馬上消失
: 它們本是背叛人皇的士兵亡靈,亞拉岡既然是當時的人皇
: 請它們還個人情,也是很合理的吧?
: 真正的機械神,我推小胖不小心(無誤)殺死亞神階級的那隻蜘蛛 XD
: 其實LOTR的神上神上神 托爾金老先生,本來就是想寫一個
: 最弱的種族(半身人)卻最有毅力地幹掉魔神的故事
其實,在原著裡,亡靈沒有這麼威能
連勒苟拉斯這隻黑暗精靈都嗆說人類亡魂對他而言十分的"脆弱"
頂多覺得有點冷XD
所以在原著裡的亡魂是沒什麼殺傷力的
要不是電影為了省時,亡魂也不會變成綠色殺人海
在原著裡,亡魂最大的特點是什麼?
其實跟現實一樣,"恐懼"
我們都知道就算真的有鬼,世界上也沒聽過幾個鬼殺死人的新聞
那為什麼我們還是不敢半夜去矇仔埔
晚上一個人看鬼片會嚇到不敢睡覺?
因為恐懼
所以亞拉岡跑去找亡靈,不是像電影所描述的,是為了一舉消滅大戰中的半獸人
而是因為南方的海盜也準備進攻剛鐸
剛鐸根本無法再承受這隻軍團的攻擊
亞拉岡才會召喚所有遊俠一起去南方打海盜
所走的捷徑剛好就是亡靈大道
既然都要碰面,請他們幫忙一下順便贖罪也是很合情合理的
所以亡靈的功用就是請他們去嚇嚇海盜,幫他們省下打仗時間
不但可以消滅海盜,說不定還趕的上剛鐸大戰
(X!嚇嚇人就可以贖罪!也太好賺了!)
在魔戒以及精靈寶鑽中,托爾金不斷強調最大的敵人不是死亡,而是"貪婪"與"恐懼"
為什麼索倫遺失了他最大的籌碼(魔戒)
除了在第一集開頭意思意思派戒靈去夏爾搜尋魔戒以外
根本沒有積極的去找尋魔戒
而是好整以暇的進行戰爭準備?
明明只要有魔戒,不用打仗,他就可以縱橫天下
連甘道夫都說,如果索倫把所有兵力都用在搜尋魔戒
那才是真正的末日
他卻捨棄了這最好的方式,打算先用武力征服中土大陸
因為索倫經歷過精靈寶鑽戰史,他親眼看過精靈因為貪婪精靈寶鑽
自相殘殺到王國規模只殘留全盛時期一半不到
他認為魔戒也會造成同樣效果
他根本不用費心找尋魔戒
以中土大陸各種族對他的恐懼以及魔戒對他們的吸引力
索倫認為對方只會想利用魔戒來對抗他
但是誰要用?
前幾篇文有一篇就寫的很傳神,不管哪一方拿魔戒,其他種族都會來搶
那就給他們自相殘殺嘛~等他們殺累了就不會再殺了,換我殺光他們
最好的例子,看薩魯曼就知道
索倫要做的,就只是派出一點軍隊當催化劑,讓他們死更快
(對,不要懷疑,剛鐸大戰那看起來嚇死人的半獸人大軍,可能佔不到索倫總軍力一半)
就算真的有人拿起魔戒想當另一個魔王,索倫也有絕對自信拿半獸人海壓死對方
所以要不是甘道夫四處奔走,夏爾不用等索倫來
只要索倫派爪牙告訴所有種族魔戒在夏爾
夏爾馬上就會佈滿人類、精靈、矮人還有哈比人的屍體
因為甘道夫,所有種族才會一致贊同毀滅魔戒這麼扯的計畫
(好喇,剛鐸大概不太同意...)
有多扯?
想像一下美國政府突發奇想,派出九個人,其中四個還是沒受過訓練的死老百姓
要幹嘛?滲透北韓,進去北韓領導人官邸,在金正日辦公椅子底下安裝炸彈
最後成功進入平壤的還只剩兩個只會哭哭的死老百姓
然後把這難度乘以100倍,大概就是毀滅魔戒的難度
原著中戒靈也不是拿來當轟炸機使用的
原著中戒靈最大的力量,也是恐懼
不過主要是針對人類,對精靈巫師而言應該也沒什麼功用....
從戒靈誕生以來,除了伊歐玟
只有一個人類不怕戒靈還把戒靈嚇跑
在原著中的描述,只要戒靈開始鬼叫
不管你是多堅強的戰士,不管你是在作戰還是在逃跑
你都會發出一聲嬌喘,倒在地上任人宰割
這點我覺得第三集沒有表現出來
當我看到一堆戒靈在天空發出鬼叫時
一堆人一邊阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿一邊勇猛的逃跑
我覺得有點無言
第二集對恐懼與絕望的描述就比較膩細
希歐頓在大戰前夕那段話,搭配老弱婦孺的畫面
我心理的感覺就是,X!這怎麼可能守的住!
第三集雖然場面最大,得獎最多
可是我一直認為是最粗糙的一集(雖然我還是很愛看XD)
所以為什麼亞拉岡通過亡者之道這一段這麼重要
因為托爾金認為"不怕死"還不足以成為王者
真正的王者是能夠面對自己的恐懼,征服自己的恐懼
整部魔戒戰史其實就是一段愛與戰勝自己的故事
亞拉岡戰勝自己的恐懼與對自己血統的不信任(電影裡才有,原著中他可自傲的)
波羅莫戰勝自己的懦弱
梅里與皮聘戰勝自己的不成熟
勒苟拉斯跟金靂戰勝對對方的歧視與偏見,還成為好朋(ㄑ一ㄥˊ)友(ㄖㄣˊ)
最後還相約去海外仙境度過餘生...(我覺得這段比佛羅多和山姆還腐...)
佛羅多和山姆戰勝對魔戒的恐懼
(佛羅多最後算是戰敗喇,雖然沒有人有資格怪他,但是他其實一直沒有原諒自己
所以亞玟才會送他精靈寶石撫慰他的心靈)
甘道夫?嗯...一個智慧跟領導能力都破表的人要戰勝什麼呢...
我想他應該是戰勝退化性關節炎吧....
結論?
看完精靈寶鑽再重新看魔戒凱藍崔爾女王那段
心理會有OS:
X!你們那是什麼態度阿!站在你們面前的精靈有多老資格你們知道嘛!
她可是中土世界僅存幾個親眼見過雙聖樹,跟費諾王子講過話
還橫跨過冰海的超級精靈阿!!!!!給我放尊重點!!!!!(翻桌
--
: ※ 引述《GyroZ (傑洛)》之銘言:
: : 我想你沒搞懂我文章的意思
: : 魔戒誰拿根本不是重點
: : 重點是亡靈的出現用了一種Deus ex machina的手法
: 其實機械神出現很多次
: 遠在9人遠征團出發之前
: 佛羅多聽從甘道夫去小馬飯店(誤?)找亞拉岡的時候
: 佛羅多,小胖,梅理,皮聘一行人
: 就差點在森林裡迷路,被一個喪屍王給吃了
: 這個時候,湯姆 這個謎一般的神級人物(他到底是不是至上神?)
: 給救了
: : 這種方式一般來說是很糟糕的手法
: : 通常用來處理失控的劇情
: 電影是電影,小說是小說,這一段也有鋪陳很久
: 只是東西太多電影塞不下
: : 電影裡亡靈的出現只是為了解決打不贏的戰爭
: : 突然的發現一座山裡有一票無敵的傭兵
: : 救完剛鐸馬上消失
: 它們本是背叛人皇的士兵亡靈,亞拉岡既然是當時的人皇
: 請它們還個人情,也是很合理的吧?
: 真正的機械神,我推小胖不小心(無誤)殺死亞神階級的那隻蜘蛛 XD
: 其實LOTR的神上神上神 托爾金老先生,本來就是想寫一個
: 最弱的種族(半身人)卻最有毅力地幹掉魔神的故事
其實,在原著裡,亡靈沒有這麼威能
連勒苟拉斯這隻黑暗精靈都嗆說人類亡魂對他而言十分的"脆弱"
頂多覺得有點冷XD
所以在原著裡的亡魂是沒什麼殺傷力的
要不是電影為了省時,亡魂也不會變成綠色殺人海
在原著裡,亡魂最大的特點是什麼?
其實跟現實一樣,"恐懼"
我們都知道就算真的有鬼,世界上也沒聽過幾個鬼殺死人的新聞
那為什麼我們還是不敢半夜去矇仔埔
晚上一個人看鬼片會嚇到不敢睡覺?
因為恐懼
所以亞拉岡跑去找亡靈,不是像電影所描述的,是為了一舉消滅大戰中的半獸人
而是因為南方的海盜也準備進攻剛鐸
剛鐸根本無法再承受這隻軍團的攻擊
亞拉岡才會召喚所有遊俠一起去南方打海盜
所走的捷徑剛好就是亡靈大道
既然都要碰面,請他們幫忙一下順便贖罪也是很合情合理的
所以亡靈的功用就是請他們去嚇嚇海盜,幫他們省下打仗時間
不但可以消滅海盜,說不定還趕的上剛鐸大戰
(X!嚇嚇人就可以贖罪!也太好賺了!)
在魔戒以及精靈寶鑽中,托爾金不斷強調最大的敵人不是死亡,而是"貪婪"與"恐懼"
為什麼索倫遺失了他最大的籌碼(魔戒)
除了在第一集開頭意思意思派戒靈去夏爾搜尋魔戒以外
根本沒有積極的去找尋魔戒
而是好整以暇的進行戰爭準備?
明明只要有魔戒,不用打仗,他就可以縱橫天下
連甘道夫都說,如果索倫把所有兵力都用在搜尋魔戒
那才是真正的末日
他卻捨棄了這最好的方式,打算先用武力征服中土大陸
因為索倫經歷過精靈寶鑽戰史,他親眼看過精靈因為貪婪精靈寶鑽
自相殘殺到王國規模只殘留全盛時期一半不到
他認為魔戒也會造成同樣效果
他根本不用費心找尋魔戒
以中土大陸各種族對他的恐懼以及魔戒對他們的吸引力
索倫認為對方只會想利用魔戒來對抗他
但是誰要用?
前幾篇文有一篇就寫的很傳神,不管哪一方拿魔戒,其他種族都會來搶
那就給他們自相殘殺嘛~等他們殺累了就不會再殺了,換我殺光他們
最好的例子,看薩魯曼就知道
索倫要做的,就只是派出一點軍隊當催化劑,讓他們死更快
(對,不要懷疑,剛鐸大戰那看起來嚇死人的半獸人大軍,可能佔不到索倫總軍力一半)
就算真的有人拿起魔戒想當另一個魔王,索倫也有絕對自信拿半獸人海壓死對方
所以要不是甘道夫四處奔走,夏爾不用等索倫來
只要索倫派爪牙告訴所有種族魔戒在夏爾
夏爾馬上就會佈滿人類、精靈、矮人還有哈比人的屍體
因為甘道夫,所有種族才會一致贊同毀滅魔戒這麼扯的計畫
(好喇,剛鐸大概不太同意...)
有多扯?
想像一下美國政府突發奇想,派出九個人,其中四個還是沒受過訓練的死老百姓
要幹嘛?滲透北韓,進去北韓領導人官邸,在金正日辦公椅子底下安裝炸彈
最後成功進入平壤的還只剩兩個只會哭哭的死老百姓
然後把這難度乘以100倍,大概就是毀滅魔戒的難度
原著中戒靈也不是拿來當轟炸機使用的
原著中戒靈最大的力量,也是恐懼
不過主要是針對人類,對精靈巫師而言應該也沒什麼功用....
從戒靈誕生以來,除了伊歐玟
只有一個人類不怕戒靈還把戒靈嚇跑
在原著中的描述,只要戒靈開始鬼叫
不管你是多堅強的戰士,不管你是在作戰還是在逃跑
你都會發出一聲嬌喘,倒在地上任人宰割
這點我覺得第三集沒有表現出來
當我看到一堆戒靈在天空發出鬼叫時
一堆人一邊阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿阿一邊勇猛的逃跑
我覺得有點無言
第二集對恐懼與絕望的描述就比較膩細
希歐頓在大戰前夕那段話,搭配老弱婦孺的畫面
我心理的感覺就是,X!這怎麼可能守的住!
第三集雖然場面最大,得獎最多
可是我一直認為是最粗糙的一集(雖然我還是很愛看XD)
所以為什麼亞拉岡通過亡者之道這一段這麼重要
因為托爾金認為"不怕死"還不足以成為王者
真正的王者是能夠面對自己的恐懼,征服自己的恐懼
整部魔戒戰史其實就是一段愛與戰勝自己的故事
亞拉岡戰勝自己的恐懼與對自己血統的不信任(電影裡才有,原著中他可自傲的)
波羅莫戰勝自己的懦弱
梅里與皮聘戰勝自己的不成熟
勒苟拉斯跟金靂戰勝對對方的歧視與偏見,還成為好朋(ㄑ一ㄥˊ)友(ㄖㄣˊ)
最後還相約去海外仙境度過餘生...(我覺得這段比佛羅多和山姆還腐...)
佛羅多和山姆戰勝對魔戒的恐懼
(佛羅多最後算是戰敗喇,雖然沒有人有資格怪他,但是他其實一直沒有原諒自己
所以亞玟才會送他精靈寶石撫慰他的心靈)
甘道夫?嗯...一個智慧跟領導能力都破表的人要戰勝什麼呢...
我想他應該是戰勝退化性關節炎吧....
結論?
看完精靈寶鑽再重新看魔戒凱藍崔爾女王那段
心理會有OS:
X!你們那是什麼態度阿!站在你們面前的精靈有多老資格你們知道嘛!
她可是中土世界僅存幾個親眼見過雙聖樹,跟費諾王子講過話
還橫跨過冰海的超級精靈阿!!!!!給我放尊重點!!!!!(翻桌
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