亞馬遜 魔戒 Super Fans 訪談被噓到下線 - 歐美
By Liam
at 2022-02-26T08:28
at 2022-02-26T08:28
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※ 引述《kimisawa (楊回血了。)》之銘言:
: 亞馬遜官方日前放出一部魔戒"超級粉絲"的訪談對話。
: 結果一天後就緊急下線,目前只剩別人上傳版本。
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rHldr8r-8I
: https://i.imgur.com/tewqLLv.png
: 這些人大概20多歲吧,Peter Jackson的版本20年前出的
: 他們還在包尿布,怎麼說是 Super fans?
: 或許會說他們是小說的粉絲,可是訪談都在講前部電影。
: 再來,整個訪談都在講黑精靈,黑矮人,多樣性,女戰士這些
: Diversity and representation. 不知道說了多少次diversity.
: 完全沒再討論第二世紀,或是其他的內容。啊你們不是超級粉絲?
: 講一下故事那些部分吸引人很難嗎?一直跳針種族膚色多樣性。
: 說看到黑精靈代表自己的種族就高潮了~~~
: 基本上這部暴死機率提升到90%
看了近日的討論串,很想小聲地說一下,
其實托爾金實在沒講過精靈「都」是白膚......
(如果有,誠心請教在文本的哪裡?真的沒能找到。)
他描述外觀的時候比較常講到頭髮的顏色。
凡雅、諾多、辛達以及西爾凡(影集原創設定的這位),都是不同的精靈族群;
《魔戒》附錄F中提到「They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed,
though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin」
這裡的膚色白皙、灰色眼睛和黑色頭髮,指的是諾多精靈(Noldor)。
《精靈寶鑽》注釋條目裡說凡雅精靈(Vanyar)的名字意味「the Fair」,
指的是他們的金色頭髮。
《中土歷史》第11卷〈Quendi and Eldar〉裡寫得比較多:
凡雅→Vanyar的主要意義接近現代英語中提到頭髮或膚色的fair,
他們幾乎所有人的髮色都是黃色或深金色。
諾多→大多(mostly)是黑髮。
辛達→整體來說(In general)與諾多的流亡者非常相似,
多是黑髮、高大強壯、體態輕盈、除了眼睛很難區分。
南多→他們為了隱蔽喜歡穿綠色衣物。
綜合以上,白膚的是凡雅和諾多,辛達因為和諾多「長得很像」,所以默認為白膚;
但南多精靈並沒有提及膚色,同理,也沒有關於西爾凡精靈的外觀描述。
《精靈寶鑽》第三章提到南多精靈(Nandor)時,
說他們除了喜愛居住在水源附近之外,和他們的親族並不相似:
「they became a people apart, unlike their kin.」。
他們和其他精靈的族群分裂發生在大遠行期間,離第二紀元至少有四千年,
而西爾凡精靈是南多精靈的一個分支。
影集說那位黑皮膚的精靈屬於西爾凡,是一個原著沒說的模糊地帶;
根據我對近年新聞稿的理解,這似乎是亞馬遜和托爾金遺產基金會談妥的改編條件:
「原著沒說不行的就可以」。
當然他們如何利用這個條件安插其他內容就是另一回事T^T
亞馬遜多次明示他們跟托爾金遺產基金會一起製作,
基金會到現在都沒發新聞稿反駁,大概也是官方默認了,
也許這就是(完全不想看到任何改編的)小托,
在當年影集版權售出之後火速退休的原因吧?
雖然Super Fans系列是個重點完全放錯的訪談,
但每次看到推上追蹤多時的一些正版Super Fans,
要是稍微想就文本解釋「呃這其實也沒有不行......?」
似乎就坐實成被亞馬遜收買的打手,覺得有點傷心就是。
這些天接觸了很多憤怒的評論,
我個人是很希望亞馬遜迫於壓力把長髮加回去,
但其實托爾金也沒有寫過精靈一定是長髮......
原著很棒,但原著真的沒有這麼說過,希望大家都來讀讀但不要扛著原著吵架Q~Q
--
: 亞馬遜官方日前放出一部魔戒"超級粉絲"的訪談對話。
: 結果一天後就緊急下線,目前只剩別人上傳版本。
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rHldr8r-8I

: 他們還在包尿布,怎麼說是 Super fans?
: 或許會說他們是小說的粉絲,可是訪談都在講前部電影。
: 再來,整個訪談都在講黑精靈,黑矮人,多樣性,女戰士這些
: Diversity and representation. 不知道說了多少次diversity.
: 完全沒再討論第二世紀,或是其他的內容。啊你們不是超級粉絲?
: 講一下故事那些部分吸引人很難嗎?一直跳針種族膚色多樣性。
: 說看到黑精靈代表自己的種族就高潮了~~~
: 基本上這部暴死機率提升到90%
看了近日的討論串,很想小聲地說一下,
其實托爾金實在沒講過精靈「都」是白膚......
(如果有,誠心請教在文本的哪裡?真的沒能找到。)
他描述外觀的時候比較常講到頭髮的顏色。
凡雅、諾多、辛達以及西爾凡(影集原創設定的這位),都是不同的精靈族群;
《魔戒》附錄F中提到「They were tall, fair of skin and grey-eyed,
though their locks were dark, save in the golden house of Finarfin」
這裡的膚色白皙、灰色眼睛和黑色頭髮,指的是諾多精靈(Noldor)。
《精靈寶鑽》注釋條目裡說凡雅精靈(Vanyar)的名字意味「the Fair」,
指的是他們的金色頭髮。
《中土歷史》第11卷〈Quendi and Eldar〉裡寫得比較多:
凡雅→Vanyar的主要意義接近現代英語中提到頭髮或膚色的fair,
他們幾乎所有人的髮色都是黃色或深金色。
諾多→大多(mostly)是黑髮。
辛達→整體來說(In general)與諾多的流亡者非常相似,
多是黑髮、高大強壯、體態輕盈、除了眼睛很難區分。
南多→他們為了隱蔽喜歡穿綠色衣物。
綜合以上,白膚的是凡雅和諾多,辛達因為和諾多「長得很像」,所以默認為白膚;
但南多精靈並沒有提及膚色,同理,也沒有關於西爾凡精靈的外觀描述。
《精靈寶鑽》第三章提到南多精靈(Nandor)時,
說他們除了喜愛居住在水源附近之外,和他們的親族並不相似:
「they became a people apart, unlike their kin.」。
他們和其他精靈的族群分裂發生在大遠行期間,離第二紀元至少有四千年,
而西爾凡精靈是南多精靈的一個分支。
影集說那位黑皮膚的精靈屬於西爾凡,是一個原著沒說的模糊地帶;
根據我對近年新聞稿的理解,這似乎是亞馬遜和托爾金遺產基金會談妥的改編條件:
「原著沒說不行的就可以」。
當然他們如何利用這個條件安插其他內容就是另一回事T^T
亞馬遜多次明示他們跟托爾金遺產基金會一起製作,
基金會到現在都沒發新聞稿反駁,大概也是官方默認了,
也許這就是(完全不想看到任何改編的)小托,
在當年影集版權售出之後火速退休的原因吧?
雖然Super Fans系列是個重點完全放錯的訪談,
但每次看到推上追蹤多時的一些正版Super Fans,
要是稍微想就文本解釋「呃這其實也沒有不行......?」
似乎就坐實成被亞馬遜收買的打手,覺得有點傷心就是。
這些天接觸了很多憤怒的評論,
我個人是很希望亞馬遜迫於壓力把長髮加回去,
但其實托爾金也沒有寫過精靈一定是長髮......
原著很棒,但原著真的沒有這麼說過,希望大家都來讀讀但不要扛著原著吵架Q~Q
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