台劇的好壞? - 臺劇
By Tracy
at 2016-07-25T17:41
at 2016-07-25T17:41
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受不了一直被跳針回請尊重 平行時空
直接回文
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原原po
老實說我自己覺得,
沒有所謂的好戲或是爛戲,
只有你自己喜不喜歡的戲,
既然我們沒有一個評斷的表去確認戲的好壞,
那就說明,好跟壞是我們主觀意識的論述罷了,
那又何必去爭執戲劇的好壞呢?
==========分隔線=====================
好跟壞客觀上可以看到的就一堆...
歷史劇考究錯誤就能直接被評為爛戲了
對岸抗日劇在罵的點是甚麼?
下體藏手榴彈
狙擊槍可以打10公里遠
這種鬼扯劇情會說是好劇?很難判斷嗎?
=====================================
原原po
就像"愛上哥們"
有些人認為很瞎,
但是就是有人喜歡,並且覺得很棒例如我,
那這樣究竟是誰有問題呢?
=====================================
沒問題啊= =
一部戲爛不爛跟喜不喜歡看根本兩碼子事
電波對到了在不合理都吃得下
=====================================
原原po
回到戲劇本身,我自私的認為,
每一部戲都是導演、劇組、演員用心的呈現,
沒有一部戲會告訴你說:
"各位啊,我們是隨便寫寫隨便演演啊"
但台劇通常最為人詬病的地方,
便是劇本的精緻,
以及演員的長工時,
劇本好不好,
老實說,要看高層介入的多不多,
想到以前唉鳳八大說的一句:"沒有人會把自己的作品毀掉"(原句我忘記了,但大意是這樣
)
高層介入的多,劇本就一定會被改,
改得亂七八糟的,
最後觀眾還是只會說這是一部爛戲,
我們需要改變的,是大環境下的潛規則。
=====================================
https://youtu.be/X3tqJwUtesU?t=8m19s
看看成龍怎麼說
當你有機會,你要全力以赴,因為一部電影是永恆的,
「不!因為下雨」或「某演員時間不夠」...等原因,
我說,你有可能跟每個在座的觀眾一一解釋嗎? 不可能
在戲院的觀眾,好電影,壞電影,就這樣
高層介入多少,誰知道?
但一部戲的編劇名字是掛誰,演員是誰,大家都知道。
每部拍爛的都高層介入,這理由都聽膩了
三立被噓到xx那篇提到的紫色大稻埕花了4800萬,預計28集被腰斬到22,
不是想幫三立說話,但當初編劇在寫這劇本時,有沒有把市場考量進去?
美劇只拍一集試樣放網路上試水溫,評價不好被斬的都有了
18集被要求腰斬前,收視率起不來,是觀眾的問題還是編劇?
=================================================================
原原po
其次要討論的是收視率跟點擊率的問題,
現在的戲劇破二破三就很不容易,
為什麼?
不是因為觀眾流失,
而是因為收視習慣在改變,
以前學生時代,
要看偶像劇,拼死拼活一定要搶到遙控器,
但現在,我只要多等一個晚上的時間,
甚至有時候根本不需要多等,
影音平臺就會上傳高清且沒有廣告的影片上來,
那又何必開電視呢?
說真的,收視率只是電視臺的噱頭,
他可以用這個數字來跟大家說:
"你們看喔,我們收視率很好喔"
也可以用來跟廣告廠商說:
"我們觀眾很多喔,這個時段廣告價錢比較高喔"
所以我認為,與其去爭執收視率的問題,
倒不如眼光放遠一點,
去看戲劇結束之後,所引發的熱潮到底是什麼。
我必須很認真的說,
戲劇成功的地方不在於收視率多少,
而在於幾年之後,
還會不會有人記得,
當初這部戲帶給自己多大的感動,
收視率是給高層看的,
感動是給觀眾的。
=================================================================
這...只能吐槽了
引發熱潮的劇哪部不是高收視率?
從日劇-半澤、海女
韓劇-來自星星、太陽的後裔
美劇-冰與火、生活大爆炸
陸劇-花千骨、後宮甄嬛傳
要帶給觀眾感動要先有觀眾阿~ 還談熱潮
=================================================================
原原po
為什麼一樣的類型一樣的梗就一定是壞?
有人喜歡有人不喜歡,所以怎樣才是好壞?
有sop顯示好跟壞嗎?
就像有很多韓劇,大多數人都說好,
但它如果不對我的胃口,
這齣所謂的好戲,對我有意義嗎?
=================================================================
沒看vct幫解釋我壓根不信原原po有認真在回文...
一樣類型一樣的梗,為何有的翻拍評價好,有的評價差?
品質阿
演技阿
運鏡阿
觀眾真的分不出好壞?收視差只是觀眾喜惡問題跟劇組導演無關?
看看我PO成龍的那部,同一個演員同一個橋段不同導演,觀眾就算說不出專業術語,
總是看得出哪邊的動作戲比較流暢吧?
一樣愛情總裁劇,為何看韓不看台?根本不需要我解答
--
直接回文
=====================================
原原po
老實說我自己覺得,
沒有所謂的好戲或是爛戲,
只有你自己喜不喜歡的戲,
既然我們沒有一個評斷的表去確認戲的好壞,
那就說明,好跟壞是我們主觀意識的論述罷了,
那又何必去爭執戲劇的好壞呢?
==========分隔線=====================
好跟壞客觀上可以看到的就一堆...
歷史劇考究錯誤就能直接被評為爛戲了
對岸抗日劇在罵的點是甚麼?
下體藏手榴彈
狙擊槍可以打10公里遠
這種鬼扯劇情會說是好劇?很難判斷嗎?
=====================================
原原po
就像"愛上哥們"
有些人認為很瞎,
但是就是有人喜歡,並且覺得很棒例如我,
那這樣究竟是誰有問題呢?
=====================================
沒問題啊= =
一部戲爛不爛跟喜不喜歡看根本兩碼子事
電波對到了在不合理都吃得下
=====================================
原原po
回到戲劇本身,我自私的認為,
每一部戲都是導演、劇組、演員用心的呈現,
沒有一部戲會告訴你說:
"各位啊,我們是隨便寫寫隨便演演啊"
但台劇通常最為人詬病的地方,
便是劇本的精緻,
以及演員的長工時,
劇本好不好,
老實說,要看高層介入的多不多,
想到以前唉鳳八大說的一句:"沒有人會把自己的作品毀掉"(原句我忘記了,但大意是這樣
)
高層介入的多,劇本就一定會被改,
改得亂七八糟的,
最後觀眾還是只會說這是一部爛戲,
我們需要改變的,是大環境下的潛規則。
=====================================
https://youtu.be/X3tqJwUtesU?t=8m19s
當你有機會,你要全力以赴,因為一部電影是永恆的,
「不!因為下雨」或「某演員時間不夠」...等原因,
我說,你有可能跟每個在座的觀眾一一解釋嗎? 不可能
在戲院的觀眾,好電影,壞電影,就這樣
高層介入多少,誰知道?
但一部戲的編劇名字是掛誰,演員是誰,大家都知道。
每部拍爛的都高層介入,這理由都聽膩了
三立被噓到xx那篇提到的紫色大稻埕花了4800萬,預計28集被腰斬到22,
不是想幫三立說話,但當初編劇在寫這劇本時,有沒有把市場考量進去?
美劇只拍一集試樣放網路上試水溫,評價不好被斬的都有了
18集被要求腰斬前,收視率起不來,是觀眾的問題還是編劇?
=================================================================
原原po
其次要討論的是收視率跟點擊率的問題,
現在的戲劇破二破三就很不容易,
為什麼?
不是因為觀眾流失,
而是因為收視習慣在改變,
以前學生時代,
要看偶像劇,拼死拼活一定要搶到遙控器,
但現在,我只要多等一個晚上的時間,
甚至有時候根本不需要多等,
影音平臺就會上傳高清且沒有廣告的影片上來,
那又何必開電視呢?
說真的,收視率只是電視臺的噱頭,
他可以用這個數字來跟大家說:
"你們看喔,我們收視率很好喔"
也可以用來跟廣告廠商說:
"我們觀眾很多喔,這個時段廣告價錢比較高喔"
所以我認為,與其去爭執收視率的問題,
倒不如眼光放遠一點,
去看戲劇結束之後,所引發的熱潮到底是什麼。
我必須很認真的說,
戲劇成功的地方不在於收視率多少,
而在於幾年之後,
還會不會有人記得,
當初這部戲帶給自己多大的感動,
收視率是給高層看的,
感動是給觀眾的。
=================================================================
這...只能吐槽了
引發熱潮的劇哪部不是高收視率?
從日劇-半澤、海女
韓劇-來自星星、太陽的後裔
美劇-冰與火、生活大爆炸
陸劇-花千骨、後宮甄嬛傳
要帶給觀眾感動要先有觀眾阿~ 還談熱潮
=================================================================
原原po
為什麼一樣的類型一樣的梗就一定是壞?
有人喜歡有人不喜歡,所以怎樣才是好壞?
有sop顯示好跟壞嗎?
就像有很多韓劇,大多數人都說好,
但它如果不對我的胃口,
這齣所謂的好戲,對我有意義嗎?
=================================================================
沒看vct幫解釋我壓根不信原原po有認真在回文...
一樣類型一樣的梗,為何有的翻拍評價好,有的評價差?
品質阿
演技阿
運鏡阿
觀眾真的分不出好壞?收視差只是觀眾喜惡問題跟劇組導演無關?
看看我PO成龍的那部,同一個演員同一個橋段不同導演,觀眾就算說不出專業術語,
總是看得出哪邊的動作戲比較流暢吧?
一樣愛情總裁劇,為何看韓不看台?根本不需要我解答
--
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