四重奏過譽的點 - 日劇
By Tom
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最近重新想了想「四重奏」的魅力在哪。
確實有很多小細節很有趣、很能刺激想像力,就美感本身就很有價值了。
但覺得有一點點過譽,或者說,大家很迷的點其實只是靠氛圍包裝起來的。
若抽離片子來看,有些話或者有些概念還蠻普通的。
當然,換另個角度來看,也可以說這就是本劇的魅力吧!
以下幾個例子。
1. 有句很多人愛引用的愛麗絲名言:「告白是小孩子才做的事;大人請用誘惑的。」
我記得在「戀愛維他命」(2005)這部就有過類似的話了:
「小孩會說『我喜歡你』,而大人會讓對方說『我喜歡你』。」
當然不是完全一樣,不過這個概念應該沒什麼新穎的地方。
2. 在飯廳的那句「我們用的是一樣的洗髮精對吧?頭髮散發一樣的味道.....」
就是藉此表達妳可以在這四重奏裡找到家人、有歸屬感之類的
也許是我個人比較不感性吧?覺得用一樣的洗髮精也沒什麼w
現實生活中一定有一堆住同一屋簷下的用同洗髮精,那真的就是家人的認證嗎
推遠一點,這個城市裡大家搭同樣大眾交通、吃一樣的油、逛一樣的超商,有證明什麼嗎
當然這是要看脈絡啦。
只不過自己不是很明白這段話的說服力;是我,有前面的鋪陳不會因此更動心,
直接表達「我支持妳、妳可以依靠我們、我們像一家人」就可以了,
甚至更感人,我自己覺得。
3. 關於真紀和幹生的愛情觀:前者要家人、後者要情人;
這點不是和同一編劇的「最棒的離婚」裡的設定一樣嗎?
結夏說她不要雜誌般的生活,要小孩,要變成家人
光生卻想要維持戀人般的關係
這裡有什麼新穎的點嗎?
當然,真紀會音樂是結夏所缺乏的,不過最基本的設定是一樣的
4. 擠檸檬那段。。。。。這應該和日本人習慣和性格比較有關吧
現實生活中別人推薦沾個什麼醬,說「吃xx就是要配xx」,確實會聽得煩。
更別說是替你決定幫你淋上去了。
不過,不喜歡就明說,有很難嗎?
在擠檸檬之前喊一聲,真的不可能嗎?
不曉得,只覺得這是有錢、有閒、壓抑、又非常顧慮別人感受的民族才會有共鳴的。
是蠻有趣的啦,看到大家的迴響
當然,我明白這橋段和後來真紀/幹生分開的關係,那個是另一回事。
我只是就他們四個人的互動來講......
然後其實,我自己覺得都交往了這種小地方還扭扭捏捏不明說(幹生),
真的也是太會顧慮對方感受了
還是說這段有其他神奇的點我沒領會到.....?
5. 這個不是過譽,只是觀察
就是雀習慣脫襪演奏這點,跟鋼琴家Alice Sara Ott一樣
這個我覺得沒什麼有趣的地方
不過這個安排我覺得也顯示了很多大家喜歡的地方只是故弄玄虛?
或者說,「阿,這就是一個比較有個性的小習慣」(雀愛喝咖啡牛奶也類似)
累積多了就會塑造一種文青會愛的風格,大概是某種「小眾感」吧
延伸出來的:總體而言,這確實是很用心的劇,感覺每個畫面都有意義
或者說可以讓觀者覺得有意義
小細節一多,那些自詡品味比別人好的自然就很興奮,
覺得自己應該看到了很多別人沒注意到的點;
可以再次確定自己心比別人細、比別人懂美感etc.....
好吧以上這段是我自己腦補的w 我也不知道以小眾為榮的人在想什麼www
不過就很多話真的很普通呀,例如「能夠一邊哭一邊吃飯的人可以活下去」也是
「喜歡到想殺死對方」這個不是文學常有的思想嗎
「我喜歡你...開玩笑的」這也是現實真的會有的招吧ww
還是說正是因為是和現實貼近卻又能用故弄玄虛的方式表達,才堪稱藝術?www
以上是我覺得其實很普通的地方。
至於喜歡的點,除了別墅氛圍很棒之外,
應該就是雀和別府吃冰淇淋這邊吧!覺得滿可愛的www
還有雀配上Liszt Consolations那段(幻想自己和別府約會),確實滿美的
個人心得到此結束....想到什麼再來補充。
--
確實有很多小細節很有趣、很能刺激想像力,就美感本身就很有價值了。
但覺得有一點點過譽,或者說,大家很迷的點其實只是靠氛圍包裝起來的。
若抽離片子來看,有些話或者有些概念還蠻普通的。
當然,換另個角度來看,也可以說這就是本劇的魅力吧!
以下幾個例子。
1. 有句很多人愛引用的愛麗絲名言:「告白是小孩子才做的事;大人請用誘惑的。」
我記得在「戀愛維他命」(2005)這部就有過類似的話了:
「小孩會說『我喜歡你』,而大人會讓對方說『我喜歡你』。」
當然不是完全一樣,不過這個概念應該沒什麼新穎的地方。
2. 在飯廳的那句「我們用的是一樣的洗髮精對吧?頭髮散發一樣的味道.....」
就是藉此表達妳可以在這四重奏裡找到家人、有歸屬感之類的
也許是我個人比較不感性吧?覺得用一樣的洗髮精也沒什麼w
現實生活中一定有一堆住同一屋簷下的用同洗髮精,那真的就是家人的認證嗎
推遠一點,這個城市裡大家搭同樣大眾交通、吃一樣的油、逛一樣的超商,有證明什麼嗎
當然這是要看脈絡啦。
只不過自己不是很明白這段話的說服力;是我,有前面的鋪陳不會因此更動心,
直接表達「我支持妳、妳可以依靠我們、我們像一家人」就可以了,
甚至更感人,我自己覺得。
3. 關於真紀和幹生的愛情觀:前者要家人、後者要情人;
這點不是和同一編劇的「最棒的離婚」裡的設定一樣嗎?
結夏說她不要雜誌般的生活,要小孩,要變成家人
光生卻想要維持戀人般的關係
這裡有什麼新穎的點嗎?
當然,真紀會音樂是結夏所缺乏的,不過最基本的設定是一樣的
4. 擠檸檬那段。。。。。這應該和日本人習慣和性格比較有關吧
現實生活中別人推薦沾個什麼醬,說「吃xx就是要配xx」,確實會聽得煩。
更別說是替你決定幫你淋上去了。
不過,不喜歡就明說,有很難嗎?
在擠檸檬之前喊一聲,真的不可能嗎?
不曉得,只覺得這是有錢、有閒、壓抑、又非常顧慮別人感受的民族才會有共鳴的。
是蠻有趣的啦,看到大家的迴響
當然,我明白這橋段和後來真紀/幹生分開的關係,那個是另一回事。
我只是就他們四個人的互動來講......
然後其實,我自己覺得都交往了這種小地方還扭扭捏捏不明說(幹生),
真的也是太會顧慮對方感受了
還是說這段有其他神奇的點我沒領會到.....?
5. 這個不是過譽,只是觀察
就是雀習慣脫襪演奏這點,跟鋼琴家Alice Sara Ott一樣
這個我覺得沒什麼有趣的地方
不過這個安排我覺得也顯示了很多大家喜歡的地方只是故弄玄虛?
或者說,「阿,這就是一個比較有個性的小習慣」(雀愛喝咖啡牛奶也類似)
累積多了就會塑造一種文青會愛的風格,大概是某種「小眾感」吧
延伸出來的:總體而言,這確實是很用心的劇,感覺每個畫面都有意義
或者說可以讓觀者覺得有意義
小細節一多,那些自詡品味比別人好的自然就很興奮,
覺得自己應該看到了很多別人沒注意到的點;
可以再次確定自己心比別人細、比別人懂美感etc.....
好吧以上這段是我自己腦補的w 我也不知道以小眾為榮的人在想什麼www
不過就很多話真的很普通呀,例如「能夠一邊哭一邊吃飯的人可以活下去」也是
「喜歡到想殺死對方」這個不是文學常有的思想嗎
「我喜歡你...開玩笑的」這也是現實真的會有的招吧ww
還是說正是因為是和現實貼近卻又能用故弄玄虛的方式表達,才堪稱藝術?www
以上是我覺得其實很普通的地方。
至於喜歡的點,除了別墅氛圍很棒之外,
應該就是雀和別府吃冰淇淋這邊吧!覺得滿可愛的www
還有雀配上Liszt Consolations那段(幻想自己和別府約會),確實滿美的
個人心得到此結束....想到什麼再來補充。
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