(應該被討論到爛的)步步驚心+甄嬛傳心得 - 陸劇

By Dinah
at 2016-10-11T13:11
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《takuto (PIPPO GOAL)》之銘言:
: 對不起因為我對歷史比較較真......
: ※ 引述《sisi5566 (sisi)》之銘言:
: : 況且你舉的李蓮英、年羹堯例子
李蓮英嚴格說起來也只是貪,並沒有亂政,
李對慈禧忠心的很,那時候也有和慈禧,光緒一起逃難。在說那時代也沒什麼好亂政的 X
D。
: : 都是一般戲劇的刻板印象
: : 並非真正符合清宮的時代氛圍
: : (清朝是唯一沒有寵臣太監亂政的朝代)
: 宋朝表示:T_T
秦檜…趙侂胄,史彌遠,陳宜中,賈似道…
: 而且你說清朝沒有寵臣太監亂政
: 人家提了和珅你又不承認
: 那鰲拜呢?
鰲拜有亂政了?你對於鰲拜亂政是來自史實還是野史小說的印象?
鰲拜充其量也只是權力大遭康熙忌憚。
福臨仰賴鰲拜,是因為鰲拜能帶兵打仗,
是重要的軍事武力之一,畢竟那時多爾袞權勢很大。
: : → hugo555232:清朝是唯一沒有寵臣太監亂政的朝代←那和珅怎麼算 10/19 1
3:
和珅只是貪,但是沒有亂政
: : 喔
: : 所以和珅是厲害到紫禁城的主子都要讓他三分?
: 是的
: 不信你可以觀落陰問嘉慶他前三年怎麼過的XD
: : 推 iloveannasui:其實很多人都說,和珅不過是為乾隆斂財的一條狗,到了 10/19 1
3:
: : → iloveannasui:最後,還要捨去一身肉給嘉慶登基當酒席. 10/19 1
3:
: : 我是從清朝的制度來說
: : 明清是君主集權最厲害的朝代
: : 其他朝代尚有丞相可以主導政策
: : 但明清幾乎只有皇帝一人說話
: : 所以反過來說掌握了皇帝即掌握了絕大部分的權力
: : 沒人可以相抗衡
: : 例如魏忠賢,根本是要殺要剮隨便他
: 嗯,其實我是看到這段理智斷線
: 你以為內閣大學士和軍機處是混吃等死的嘛?
: 誰跟你說明清只有皇帝一人說話
: 你提到魏忠賢根本是要殺要剮隨他
: 這麼強怎麼東林黨沒被他殺光光?
: : 但是和珅 請問他除了貪財
: : 有殺過任何一個大臣嗎?
: 嗯,人家只是反其道而行
: 「你拿錢給我就可以不用死喔」
: 掌握生死大權並不是只有殺人而已>.^
: ---
: 好像完全沒有關係了XD
: 不過我是覺得要拿史料好歹要拿對的
: 拿錯的東西不會證明你比較厲害
: ---
: 是說大家動不動就說動用宮規
: 因為我一直沒查到宮規的內容
: 誰可以提供下
: 不然怎麼查都只查到編制而已......
--
: 對不起因為我對歷史比較較真......
: ※ 引述《sisi5566 (sisi)》之銘言:
: : 況且你舉的李蓮英、年羹堯例子
李蓮英嚴格說起來也只是貪,並沒有亂政,
李對慈禧忠心的很,那時候也有和慈禧,光緒一起逃難。在說那時代也沒什麼好亂政的 X
D。
: : 都是一般戲劇的刻板印象
: : 並非真正符合清宮的時代氛圍
: : (清朝是唯一沒有寵臣太監亂政的朝代)
: 宋朝表示:T_T
秦檜…趙侂胄,史彌遠,陳宜中,賈似道…
: 而且你說清朝沒有寵臣太監亂政
: 人家提了和珅你又不承認
: 那鰲拜呢?
鰲拜有亂政了?你對於鰲拜亂政是來自史實還是野史小說的印象?
鰲拜充其量也只是權力大遭康熙忌憚。
福臨仰賴鰲拜,是因為鰲拜能帶兵打仗,
是重要的軍事武力之一,畢竟那時多爾袞權勢很大。
: : → hugo555232:清朝是唯一沒有寵臣太監亂政的朝代←那和珅怎麼算 10/19 1
3:
和珅只是貪,但是沒有亂政
: : 喔
: : 所以和珅是厲害到紫禁城的主子都要讓他三分?
: 是的
: 不信你可以觀落陰問嘉慶他前三年怎麼過的XD
: : 推 iloveannasui:其實很多人都說,和珅不過是為乾隆斂財的一條狗,到了 10/19 1
3:
: : → iloveannasui:最後,還要捨去一身肉給嘉慶登基當酒席. 10/19 1
3:
: : 我是從清朝的制度來說
: : 明清是君主集權最厲害的朝代
: : 其他朝代尚有丞相可以主導政策
: : 但明清幾乎只有皇帝一人說話
: : 所以反過來說掌握了皇帝即掌握了絕大部分的權力
: : 沒人可以相抗衡
: : 例如魏忠賢,根本是要殺要剮隨便他
: 嗯,其實我是看到這段理智斷線
: 你以為內閣大學士和軍機處是混吃等死的嘛?
: 誰跟你說明清只有皇帝一人說話
: 你提到魏忠賢根本是要殺要剮隨他
: 這麼強怎麼東林黨沒被他殺光光?
: : 但是和珅 請問他除了貪財
: : 有殺過任何一個大臣嗎?
: 嗯,人家只是反其道而行
: 「你拿錢給我就可以不用死喔」
: 掌握生死大權並不是只有殺人而已>.^
: ---
: 好像完全沒有關係了XD
: 不過我是覺得要拿史料好歹要拿對的
: 拿錯的東西不會證明你比較厲害
: ---
: 是說大家動不動就說動用宮規
: 因為我一直沒查到宮規的內容
: 誰可以提供下
: 不然怎麼查都只查到編制而已......
--
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