戰冥曲總評 - 布袋戲
By Charlie
at 2023-01-08T13:36
at 2023-01-08T13:36
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版上各位先進大大都噴得差不多了
但對暫時退坑前看的作品仍要掰一篇以表敬意
於此時刻更懷念戰魔策所帶來的美好
對前檔的喜愛有多高,對本檔的惋惜就有多深啊
噴之前先稱讚一下片場,收尾的拍攝節奏還不錯
有拍出收檔的氣勢,也更突顯問題全在劇本上
戰冥曲於我最大的問題
是整檔無時無刻充斥一股煩躁感
把這40集拆分成四等分
你隨時可以在各部份找到一個讓人厭煩的理由
前10集是不講人話的段驚秋
11-20是蒐寶拖進度的破寰界副本
21-30是繼續拖延的破寰界副本+老套的金樹族
31-40是經典的吃飯睡覺打冥母
造成煩躁感的原因
就是這檔主軸亂到讓人搞不清楚到底要幹嘛
戰魔策的主軸很明確就是魔花之爭
又有天物之澤穿針引線
主要boss花王+命蕭疏,隱藏boss天始地終
主次分明,在檔末交互穿插製造高潮也不紛亂
到了戰冥曲,格局拉大
魔界/金樹/花凋/冥河/崑崙/窮奇/壁予川莊
加上劍門樓及宇外暗流
九大勢力四王並立的設定
結果演到檔末,九個勢力至少五個是站在一起的
從最終章回溯,假若這檔的主軸
就是要全明星陣容刷冥母
那前2/3的劇本寫出來可完全不像這麼一回事
第一個問題點就是寰界
我沒看完玄象,但對寰界在劇本設計上的理解
應該是方便編劇分割戰場各自演譯的作用
本檔因為寰界分成了中原冥河雙方
理所當然該是雙主線進行
但編劇似乎原本就設計要收束在單boss冥河之母
為了迎合主軸,寰界這個設定就成了障礙
因此理當鋪陳冥母對各勢力關係的上半檔
變成了各方集五元破寰界的情節
寰界從工具變主角,這個更動有比較精彩嗎?
沒有,因為編劇無心在此,不願意更改既有想法
但可能怕太快破了寰界不好交代
所以寫出野炎山境/傲峰這種副本搜集寶物的套路混時數,順便讓宵登場賣情懷
甚至安排笑流霞+厄厄笑可自由進出寰界
只為了要加速雙方資訊交流而求個方便
仔細一想,沒有寰界,這40集的內容照樣能演
原本隻身前往冥河的白無垢/刀魔仍有專場
段導照樣會為了消渳立場開殺
十惡照樣會繼續玩他的兄控人設
也難怪戲迷會對寰界拖了2/3才破關而不滿
因為編劇並沒有針對寰界進行更有趣的設計
既然這麼不想寫寰界,那花那麼多時間幹嘛?
第二個問題點是段驚秋
版上已有針對段驚秋相關優秀的分析文
我想說的是,檢視40章以冥母為核心設計的主軸
段驚秋的情節皆與其他人格格不入
以段驚秋的的理念及故事背景
做為一檔主軸都可以了
在前半檔段驚秋一躍而起取代無所作為的窮奇
殺敗天魔,直讓我以為他是中原線boss
後段到宿海殞座的身份揭露後
我又想是否段跟殞座的糾葛是收尾的另一壓軸
結果是,段驚秋轟了一記迴風捲雪後再起不能
就連糾葛最深的宿海殞座也被拿去給劍魔抬轎
2023年了我竟然還可以看到這麼粗暴的砍線
就連段原本造成的威脅感
也隨著紀忘憂和傲神州的相繼復活而淪為笑話
既然本檔完全不想寫出雙boss線
那浪費大把時間寫出段驚秋又砍戲的意義是啥?
除了以上兩個大問題撕裂劇本主軸以外
這檔編劇顯然因為趕工因素
連自己的設定是什麼都記不得
上半檔依循寰界而生出的五元設定
根據編審說明,五元的互剋為:
土—〉水-〉火-〉風-〉土
再看以下編劇組的對白:
第4集白無垢的台詞:欲以水剋地
第21集經版友發現十惡與祖獸的對話也有以下台詞:欲以火剋地
如果連編劇組內部都會一直寫錯
你要怎麼期待觀眾理解這個東西??
還有最大笑話--風元數量懸案
前面很多版友都已提過了,這邊補上詳細台詞
第15集旁白“噬玄祖驟感半部風元遭天魔強行吸納”
第18集十惡為合抗天魔對段導說:
“面對全然的地之元,又怎能以半部風元應戰呢”
出手之後的旁白:
“風元合壁,屬性剋地,天魔屈居劣勢頓受極創”
21集天魔與段導對戰時旁白:
“隱伏的風元驟然發動剋制地元,竟引動天魔體內掌握的半部,順逆風渦合流,天魔頓受極
創了”
所以他馬的完整風元總計1又1/2膩?
十惡身上的“半部風元”怎麼來的?劇末仍無解釋
主軸不明,設定混亂,做為本檔重中之重的冥母
除了因時間被稀釋給了砍線的角色/五元/寰界
又因為編劇不明因素的私心
完全不願意厚實其底下的實力
不論是罪海之葵,金樹雙將洛江輔/孤刈
甚至前半部的武力擔當媽寶鬼訣
都無能與全明星陣容的叛天九或刀劍雙魔相抗
正反雙方極度懸殊的戰力下
冥母本身的威脅性只能透過星源等外掛充數
而失去對手的全明星為了要有舞臺可發揮
最終上演連兩週連續對戰同樣組合的荒謬劇情
那觀眾會感到厭煩也是理所當然的結果
(在此對成為砲灰的火魔/無亮先生致敬)
最後聊幾個本檔的幾個關鍵角色塑造
1.噁心窮奇兄弟組
比起砍線的段驚秋,窮奇戲路的大轉彎
是本檔最讓我痛恨的設定
原以為能撐起戰冥曲前期惡役的十惡崇黓
名字稱號夠嗆了,戰魔策跟哥哥聯手婊掉元八荒
那股陰險卑鄙的狠勁,再搭上魈的無惡不作
直讓人期待本檔的窮奇組能玩出什麼新高度
然後就沒有然後了,窮兇惡極的壞人
因老兄被宰了而訴諸苦澀的戀兄情節
就這樣跳針了一整檔
細數窮奇組本檔對中原所造成的傷害
除了偷婊傲神州那劍有點樣子外
竟然只有碌算夫人這種鱉腳戲碼
最後甚至讓魈仰臥起坐,在本檔與魔族舉酒共議
反派就該有反派的樣子,在惡人身上賣弄情感
這種三觀崩解的設計,給出噁心兩字也不為過
2.慘遭工具人化的三生雪
除了戰魔策被刀魔強吻外
三生雪aka九千宵沒有任何高光時刻
連綠殺都比她有存在感
你編劇特別寫活老角,然後放置play這麼多集
再被冥母吃掉退場
除了編劇不想寫這個理由外
我找不出任何編劇用心思在角色的地方
炒情懷炒得這麼淺薄,不嫌太糟糕了嗎
3.刀魔
戰魔策被當成噁男,戰冥曲被當成變心渣男
救愛之旅成了認識新歡的旅程
與叛天九的友情,與三生雪的愛情
同時兼顧對編劇有這麼困難嗎
4.叛天九
開高走低,玄鳥之丘的取藥一戰竟成最好的戲份
這角色擁有非常漂亮的設定
八一王邪的稱號,異色雙瞳的面孔
輔以周郎最愛的孤舟黃燈下的俠客背景
卻被塞入各種八點檔戲份
好不容易在愛情和認子戲碼勉強避開了俗套
卻在後期跳針的戲碼和八股兄弟情跌了一跤
光罪海之葵,叛天九就來回將近三次
一個冥母,叛天九也打了三次
跟鬼訣的糾葛差不多也有三次之餘
八一王邪實該改個數字
這角色的失敗也與反派的薄弱相關
主打角色要帥氣,只能透過關鍵戰役立威
然而孤刈和洛江輔貧弱的設計讓王邪無處發威
只好加入冥母團的跳針行列
而做為侍從的野人也神隱
所以寫出野人相認的意義在哪裡?
5.白無垢
窮奇讓我最反感,白無垢讓我最痛心
魔界眾我最喜歡的角色
在戰魔策表現欠佳,與聖母的相處也不如人意
到了戰冥曲賦予其專屬舞台
卻沒有明顯的智謀,戲迷留下的印象
多為“輕鬆逛冥河大街”的批判
到了最終兩集還花時間解釋戰魔策的設定
補設定並不會讓角色圓滿
反而感覺是編劇沒放多少心思才會頻頻出漏
只要給角色設計更亮眼的時刻
誰會記得過去的疏漏?真是多寫多錯
6.太一龍鑫
與紀忘憂面容相似的巧合
本檔第二個爛到讓我笑出來的砍線理由
所以我說為何砍線還可以砍得這樣明目張膽?
綜合以上,
我對本檔編劇的感想是
一但格局拉大就無法駕馭過多的角色
想各個顧及結果顧此失彼
新角沒有共鳴,舊角也崩了大半
砍線/轉線隨便數數就有三條之多
當然不是說本檔沒有亮點
在角色上除了特別寫一篇悼念的花王外
最喜歡的是笑流霞,原因無他
台詞最自然,人設無造作,這樣就夠了
還有壁予川莊的支線,除了與段的交集斷尾
整體來說也是很有意思的設計
只是在經歷上面繁雜的狀況後
這些亮點也被煩躁感也壓過了
當然編劇在連載的狀況下難免有高低潮
祝福本檔的編劇能在下下檔改進
另一組也能在下檔對寰界玩出新花樣
但在串流戲劇百家齊鳴的年代
我也不必在經過催殘後繼續跟播on檔
期待還能有兵烽決/戰魔策這樣好評的戲能回鍋了
--
但對暫時退坑前看的作品仍要掰一篇以表敬意
於此時刻更懷念戰魔策所帶來的美好
對前檔的喜愛有多高,對本檔的惋惜就有多深啊
噴之前先稱讚一下片場,收尾的拍攝節奏還不錯
有拍出收檔的氣勢,也更突顯問題全在劇本上
戰冥曲於我最大的問題
是整檔無時無刻充斥一股煩躁感
把這40集拆分成四等分
你隨時可以在各部份找到一個讓人厭煩的理由
前10集是不講人話的段驚秋
11-20是蒐寶拖進度的破寰界副本
21-30是繼續拖延的破寰界副本+老套的金樹族
31-40是經典的吃飯睡覺打冥母
造成煩躁感的原因
就是這檔主軸亂到讓人搞不清楚到底要幹嘛
戰魔策的主軸很明確就是魔花之爭
又有天物之澤穿針引線
主要boss花王+命蕭疏,隱藏boss天始地終
主次分明,在檔末交互穿插製造高潮也不紛亂
到了戰冥曲,格局拉大
魔界/金樹/花凋/冥河/崑崙/窮奇/壁予川莊
加上劍門樓及宇外暗流
九大勢力四王並立的設定
結果演到檔末,九個勢力至少五個是站在一起的
從最終章回溯,假若這檔的主軸
就是要全明星陣容刷冥母
那前2/3的劇本寫出來可完全不像這麼一回事
第一個問題點就是寰界
我沒看完玄象,但對寰界在劇本設計上的理解
應該是方便編劇分割戰場各自演譯的作用
本檔因為寰界分成了中原冥河雙方
理所當然該是雙主線進行
但編劇似乎原本就設計要收束在單boss冥河之母
為了迎合主軸,寰界這個設定就成了障礙
因此理當鋪陳冥母對各勢力關係的上半檔
變成了各方集五元破寰界的情節
寰界從工具變主角,這個更動有比較精彩嗎?
沒有,因為編劇無心在此,不願意更改既有想法
但可能怕太快破了寰界不好交代
所以寫出野炎山境/傲峰這種副本搜集寶物的套路混時數,順便讓宵登場賣情懷
甚至安排笑流霞+厄厄笑可自由進出寰界
只為了要加速雙方資訊交流而求個方便
仔細一想,沒有寰界,這40集的內容照樣能演
原本隻身前往冥河的白無垢/刀魔仍有專場
段導照樣會為了消渳立場開殺
十惡照樣會繼續玩他的兄控人設
也難怪戲迷會對寰界拖了2/3才破關而不滿
因為編劇並沒有針對寰界進行更有趣的設計
既然這麼不想寫寰界,那花那麼多時間幹嘛?
第二個問題點是段驚秋
版上已有針對段驚秋相關優秀的分析文
我想說的是,檢視40章以冥母為核心設計的主軸
段驚秋的情節皆與其他人格格不入
以段驚秋的的理念及故事背景
做為一檔主軸都可以了
在前半檔段驚秋一躍而起取代無所作為的窮奇
殺敗天魔,直讓我以為他是中原線boss
後段到宿海殞座的身份揭露後
我又想是否段跟殞座的糾葛是收尾的另一壓軸
結果是,段驚秋轟了一記迴風捲雪後再起不能
就連糾葛最深的宿海殞座也被拿去給劍魔抬轎
2023年了我竟然還可以看到這麼粗暴的砍線
就連段原本造成的威脅感
也隨著紀忘憂和傲神州的相繼復活而淪為笑話
既然本檔完全不想寫出雙boss線
那浪費大把時間寫出段驚秋又砍戲的意義是啥?
除了以上兩個大問題撕裂劇本主軸以外
這檔編劇顯然因為趕工因素
連自己的設定是什麼都記不得
上半檔依循寰界而生出的五元設定
根據編審說明,五元的互剋為:
土—〉水-〉火-〉風-〉土
再看以下編劇組的對白:
第4集白無垢的台詞:欲以水剋地
第21集經版友發現十惡與祖獸的對話也有以下台詞:欲以火剋地
如果連編劇組內部都會一直寫錯
你要怎麼期待觀眾理解這個東西??
還有最大笑話--風元數量懸案
前面很多版友都已提過了,這邊補上詳細台詞
第15集旁白“噬玄祖驟感半部風元遭天魔強行吸納”
第18集十惡為合抗天魔對段導說:
“面對全然的地之元,又怎能以半部風元應戰呢”
出手之後的旁白:
“風元合壁,屬性剋地,天魔屈居劣勢頓受極創”
21集天魔與段導對戰時旁白:
“隱伏的風元驟然發動剋制地元,竟引動天魔體內掌握的半部,順逆風渦合流,天魔頓受極
創了”
所以他馬的完整風元總計1又1/2膩?
十惡身上的“半部風元”怎麼來的?劇末仍無解釋
主軸不明,設定混亂,做為本檔重中之重的冥母
除了因時間被稀釋給了砍線的角色/五元/寰界
又因為編劇不明因素的私心
完全不願意厚實其底下的實力
不論是罪海之葵,金樹雙將洛江輔/孤刈
甚至前半部的武力擔當媽寶鬼訣
都無能與全明星陣容的叛天九或刀劍雙魔相抗
正反雙方極度懸殊的戰力下
冥母本身的威脅性只能透過星源等外掛充數
而失去對手的全明星為了要有舞臺可發揮
最終上演連兩週連續對戰同樣組合的荒謬劇情
那觀眾會感到厭煩也是理所當然的結果
(在此對成為砲灰的火魔/無亮先生致敬)
最後聊幾個本檔的幾個關鍵角色塑造
1.噁心窮奇兄弟組
比起砍線的段驚秋,窮奇戲路的大轉彎
是本檔最讓我痛恨的設定
原以為能撐起戰冥曲前期惡役的十惡崇黓
名字稱號夠嗆了,戰魔策跟哥哥聯手婊掉元八荒
那股陰險卑鄙的狠勁,再搭上魈的無惡不作
直讓人期待本檔的窮奇組能玩出什麼新高度
然後就沒有然後了,窮兇惡極的壞人
因老兄被宰了而訴諸苦澀的戀兄情節
就這樣跳針了一整檔
細數窮奇組本檔對中原所造成的傷害
除了偷婊傲神州那劍有點樣子外
竟然只有碌算夫人這種鱉腳戲碼
最後甚至讓魈仰臥起坐,在本檔與魔族舉酒共議
反派就該有反派的樣子,在惡人身上賣弄情感
這種三觀崩解的設計,給出噁心兩字也不為過
2.慘遭工具人化的三生雪
除了戰魔策被刀魔強吻外
三生雪aka九千宵沒有任何高光時刻
連綠殺都比她有存在感
你編劇特別寫活老角,然後放置play這麼多集
再被冥母吃掉退場
除了編劇不想寫這個理由外
我找不出任何編劇用心思在角色的地方
炒情懷炒得這麼淺薄,不嫌太糟糕了嗎
3.刀魔
戰魔策被當成噁男,戰冥曲被當成變心渣男
救愛之旅成了認識新歡的旅程
與叛天九的友情,與三生雪的愛情
同時兼顧對編劇有這麼困難嗎
4.叛天九
開高走低,玄鳥之丘的取藥一戰竟成最好的戲份
這角色擁有非常漂亮的設定
八一王邪的稱號,異色雙瞳的面孔
輔以周郎最愛的孤舟黃燈下的俠客背景
卻被塞入各種八點檔戲份
好不容易在愛情和認子戲碼勉強避開了俗套
卻在後期跳針的戲碼和八股兄弟情跌了一跤
光罪海之葵,叛天九就來回將近三次
一個冥母,叛天九也打了三次
跟鬼訣的糾葛差不多也有三次之餘
八一王邪實該改個數字
這角色的失敗也與反派的薄弱相關
主打角色要帥氣,只能透過關鍵戰役立威
然而孤刈和洛江輔貧弱的設計讓王邪無處發威
只好加入冥母團的跳針行列
而做為侍從的野人也神隱
所以寫出野人相認的意義在哪裡?
5.白無垢
窮奇讓我最反感,白無垢讓我最痛心
魔界眾我最喜歡的角色
在戰魔策表現欠佳,與聖母的相處也不如人意
到了戰冥曲賦予其專屬舞台
卻沒有明顯的智謀,戲迷留下的印象
多為“輕鬆逛冥河大街”的批判
到了最終兩集還花時間解釋戰魔策的設定
補設定並不會讓角色圓滿
反而感覺是編劇沒放多少心思才會頻頻出漏
只要給角色設計更亮眼的時刻
誰會記得過去的疏漏?真是多寫多錯
6.太一龍鑫
與紀忘憂面容相似的巧合
本檔第二個爛到讓我笑出來的砍線理由
所以我說為何砍線還可以砍得這樣明目張膽?
綜合以上,
我對本檔編劇的感想是
一但格局拉大就無法駕馭過多的角色
想各個顧及結果顧此失彼
新角沒有共鳴,舊角也崩了大半
砍線/轉線隨便數數就有三條之多
當然不是說本檔沒有亮點
在角色上除了特別寫一篇悼念的花王外
最喜歡的是笑流霞,原因無他
台詞最自然,人設無造作,這樣就夠了
還有壁予川莊的支線,除了與段的交集斷尾
整體來說也是很有意思的設計
只是在經歷上面繁雜的狀況後
這些亮點也被煩躁感也壓過了
當然編劇在連載的狀況下難免有高低潮
祝福本檔的編劇能在下下檔改進
另一組也能在下檔對寰界玩出新花樣
但在串流戲劇百家齊鳴的年代
我也不必在經過催殘後繼續跟播on檔
期待還能有兵烽決/戰魔策這樣好評的戲能回鍋了
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