星際大戰中,光劍擺上段姿勢是否有優勢? - 星際大戰

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作者: mgdesigner (機槍設計師) 看板: movie
標題: Re: [討論] 星際大戰中,光劍擺上段姿勢是否有優勢?
時間: Thu Dec 24 03:39:45 2015
※ 引述《Emerson158 (紅豆 X 八嘎 X 烏魯賽)》之銘言:
: 標題: [討論] 星際大戰中,光劍擺上段姿勢是否有優勢?
: 時間: Wed Dec 23 21:58:15 2015
: 星戰討論又一篇~
: 上段(日文同"玩笑")
: 劍道五行的日文wiki
: https://goo.gl/bz23Os
: 上段是劍道中攻勢最猛的一種啟始式,同時也犧牲了防守
:
: 星戰的lightsaber combat中,我們也看到不少上段姿的對決,大部分集中在I II III裏頭
:
: II末的Anakin v.s Dooku; III的Windu v.s Sidious
:
: 也可以說IV V VI沒有特別設計這個梗
: 所以星戰光劍對決中,擺上段姿有優勢嗎?
上段沒有啥優不優勢,上段其實很危險 ....
I II III的武打就是如下影片所言
: 推 ru04j6ru6: https://youtu.be/kqjZJFOQDkA 12/24 00:46
花招打空氣打劍本體而已,而且有一點很重要的,是
運鏡問題很大
讓人可以看出很多破綻,這也表示I II III的武術導演真的不行(畢竟是特技演員,並非
真正競技劍術家),就算尤達擺著最帥氣的八相也毫無意義
要探討真實系的劍術,要看IV V VI VII
討論上段才有意義。
上段其實很危險,使用上段要很有勇氣或者霸氣,目前看到上段頻率高的有....
路克天行者
芮
達斯維達,而且他還用過變化形的單手上段
看來他們真的是一家人? XD 而且三個人也都常用突刺
然後...
歐比王喜歡用下段跟中段:EP4歐比王對達斯維達,其實很多高段技術動作,歐比王用了很
多小動作去化達斯維達的進攻,維達也用了漂亮的四連段,差點搞死歐比王,然後歐比王假
意忘情的要舉手起來變上段,故意賣弱點給維達就....接下來就是大家知道的發展
凱羅忍:他用了少見的協構,這個也是某種很pro 的技法,畢竟身受重傷,沒有精力持劍亂
揮,每一下揮重手,一定要「ㄆㄨ」着對方,協構可以讓對方不好量距離,這就很重要了。
OK講評結束 最後分享,如何看出電影裡面的劍術對決是真實系還是舞蹈系?
真實系是這樣
1.兩人在安全距離之外 O>-- --<O 安全距離就是揮劍互相無法砍到對方的距離
2.接觸 O>----<O 兩人刀相碰,入雙方的刀身,試探
3.破掉對方中線防禦,把對方的劍拍開中線
\
O>-- O
4.進攻
對方中招
\
O>--O
或者對方防禦成功進入交鍔
O><O
5.分開重回安全距離回到1
其中4的過程,大約不出五招(武器的格鬥)
只要看到可以大戰300回合才分開,或者沒有探、破,就直接攻進去的,都是跳舞系的,不
然就是兩個肉腳或者中二型的對戰者
其實就算是徒手武術也是如此,有請李小龍跟羅禮士大師來示範一下
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bxisdu-0_A
猛龍過江這個片段,就是電影真實系武術的經典,也是李小龍全世界公認最讚的一段(不是
精武門),這個開了真實系的先河。
一點分享XD有機會在圖文並茂的分析IV V VI VII的劍術戰術動作 :)
--
the First Order帝國軍莒光日主題歌:我們敬愛的達斯維達
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iksyCHHIuI
班長:每個人都要唱!大聲唱!
--
作者: mgdesigner (機槍設計師) 看板: movie
標題: Re: [討論] 星際大戰中,光劍擺上段姿勢是否有優勢?
時間: Thu Dec 24 03:39:45 2015
※ 引述《Emerson158 (紅豆 X 八嘎 X 烏魯賽)》之銘言:
: 標題: [討論] 星際大戰中,光劍擺上段姿勢是否有優勢?
: 時間: Wed Dec 23 21:58:15 2015
: 星戰討論又一篇~
: 上段(日文同"玩笑")
: 劍道五行的日文wiki
: https://goo.gl/bz23Os
: 上段是劍道中攻勢最猛的一種啟始式,同時也犧牲了防守
:
: 星戰的lightsaber combat中,我們也看到不少上段姿的對決,大部分集中在I II III裏頭
:
: II末的Anakin v.s Dooku; III的Windu v.s Sidious
:
: 也可以說IV V VI沒有特別設計這個梗
: 所以星戰光劍對決中,擺上段姿有優勢嗎?
上段沒有啥優不優勢,上段其實很危險 ....
I II III的武打就是如下影片所言
: 推 ru04j6ru6: https://youtu.be/kqjZJFOQDkA 12/24 00:46
運鏡問題很大
讓人可以看出很多破綻,這也表示I II III的武術導演真的不行(畢竟是特技演員,並非
真正競技劍術家),就算尤達擺著最帥氣的八相也毫無意義
要探討真實系的劍術,要看IV V VI VII
討論上段才有意義。
上段其實很危險,使用上段要很有勇氣或者霸氣,目前看到上段頻率高的有....
路克天行者
芮
達斯維達,而且他還用過變化形的單手上段
看來他們真的是一家人? XD 而且三個人也都常用突刺
然後...
歐比王喜歡用下段跟中段:EP4歐比王對達斯維達,其實很多高段技術動作,歐比王用了很
多小動作去化達斯維達的進攻,維達也用了漂亮的四連段,差點搞死歐比王,然後歐比王假
意忘情的要舉手起來變上段,故意賣弱點給維達就....接下來就是大家知道的發展
凱羅忍:他用了少見的協構,這個也是某種很pro 的技法,畢竟身受重傷,沒有精力持劍亂
揮,每一下揮重手,一定要「ㄆㄨ」着對方,協構可以讓對方不好量距離,這就很重要了。
OK講評結束 最後分享,如何看出電影裡面的劍術對決是真實系還是舞蹈系?
真實系是這樣
1.兩人在安全距離之外 O>-- --<O 安全距離就是揮劍互相無法砍到對方的距離
2.接觸 O>----<O 兩人刀相碰,入雙方的刀身,試探
3.破掉對方中線防禦,把對方的劍拍開中線
\
O>-- O
4.進攻
對方中招
\
O>--O
或者對方防禦成功進入交鍔
O><O
5.分開重回安全距離回到1
其中4的過程,大約不出五招(武器的格鬥)
只要看到可以大戰300回合才分開,或者沒有探、破,就直接攻進去的,都是跳舞系的,不
然就是兩個肉腳或者中二型的對戰者
其實就算是徒手武術也是如此,有請李小龍跟羅禮士大師來示範一下
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bxisdu-0_A
精武門),這個開了真實系的先河。
一點分享XD有機會在圖文並茂的分析IV V VI VII的劍術戰術動作 :)
--
the First Order帝國軍莒光日主題歌:我們敬愛的達斯維達
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-iksyCHHIuI
--
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