為何現在幾乎都出不了讓人記憶深刻的角色 - 布袋戲
By Regina
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※ 引述《mazinkisa (kisa)》之銘言:
: 剛有看到少主去上通識課說布袋戲的主客層是40歲上下
: 說是因為死水一攤難擴增...
: 對於那樣的說法
: 個人覺得是自己無法寫好劇本的推辭
: 試想如果40歲上下是霹靂的主客層
: 試問這些客層是不是因為當初20歲左右被培養起來的
: 在問若當初這些客層的人能被培養起來
: 請問難道不是因為當初的劇本吸引了這些客層嗎?
: 且這些客層以當初的年紀還有不少是大學生、高中生和剛出社會的人
: 當初這些客層可是最追潮流的年輕人
: 所以當初這些人最容易追新潮的年輕人腦子是殘障還是被雷打到
: 要不然怎會在當初最年輕最追求新潮的年紀去追古老傳統的布袋戲
: 所以不是當初的劇本、劇情足夠吸引人嗎?
: 再說
: 若以少主的理論當初應該也有一大票不會擴增和漂移的40歲老粉才對
: 照理現在應該也都是60歲爺爺奶奶級的超級老粉
: 所以理論上霹靂應該是擁有40歲以上的大票鐵粉才對
: 但實際呢?
: 少主的說法實講究是她不想經營老粉而已
: 少主只想從新培養忠於他黃亮勋鐵粉而已
: 少主只是不想在老臣和老鐵粉的監視和壓力下發展而已,他想任意徜徉、肆意發揮
: 但實際上他做的努力是怎樣
: 不提和日本老虛合作的戲(畢竟主要還是劇本夠硬夠精彩,要不然怎會有鐵粉)
: 電影他主導失敗、他接手期間的"素還真"也沒多好
: 回看黃亮勋接收霹靂主政期間後賣得主劇
: 撇開神系列黃文擇和黃亮勋屬交接期
: 試問黃少主主政的期間
: 哪一部不是賣舊劇和舊角情懷才有亮點
: 他新推的新角哪一部真的有起色的
: 且即便是有亮點也都是老角在賣肉才有的
: 實際上劇本本身還是有著各種問題
: 廢話那麼多回到正題
: 說要怎樣才能有記憶點
: 個人覺得最大的前提是編劇得自己先有料
: 其次是編劇寫劇不要老是想把設定在劇中"講出來"
: 編劇在角色塑造上應該是已故事為先
: 而不該以設計偶像為角度去設計故事
: 這樣寫出的腳色才會是真的是因應劇本和故事而生的
: 而不是寫出一個沒有啥亮點的過場偶像角或路人ABC
: 最後就是
: 編劇有沒有料是體現在文字的洗鍊運用和適當的劇情發展
: 文字和詩詞的創造要符合角色人生體驗或事件發展
: 劇情發展涉及歷史時請讓霹靂的主歷史能接續,別一再地創造離奇的史前歷史、神代歷
史
: 好的詩句內容不是體現在生僻字的使用和大量堆詞藻的無意詩句
: 最重要的是不要少年不知愁強說愁的捏造情緒和煽動感情
: 請合理寫出故事發展需要的情緒
: 最後還是希望霹靂能著重在對自我了解後好的劇本產出
: 而不是老想模仿東模仿西
: 老妄想一砲而紅的無異議創意的仿造
: 還有就是別一堆支線到處開花百花齊放
: 能不能有主線和小小小支線發展舊好
: PS:
: 去你媽的密室事件幾時要結束
: 還無意義且沒內涵的宮廷爭鬥能不能別寫
好劇本的產出不是一個編劇說:我今天要寫好劇本!然後就有了,而是在海量的劇本產出
裡面,其中有一兩部被觀眾認定為好劇本
韓劇日本動漫很多人看,是建立在極高產量上,看到難看的就換下一部,布袋戲產業沒有
這樣的奢侈,霹靂難看就看金光,金光也難看就不看了
但太平式人設可不一樣,公式套一套幾乎能保證獲利,你所說妄想一炮而紅,哪一部新角
真的有起色,沒啥亮點的偶像角,這些描述表示你根本不知道套太平公式的效益有多高,
設定寫好劇情亂寫的情況下,官會前十名有七個太平角,他們每次見面會拍照券,周邊,
木偶賣得多好
在這種環境下,追求劇本,在播出之前完全不知道你這會不會被觀眾認為是好劇本,還是
寫一個你也知道不是好劇,但可以確保周邊收益,觀影人數也維持住,讓公司活下去,絕
對是後者的風險比較小,如果你說要靠劇本養出新的客群,我只能說祝你好運
至於你要說霹靂以前劇本比較優秀,鐵定是比較優秀的,但那20年也不是每一部都優秀吧
,而是20年間累積了一些優秀作品足夠蓋過那些不好的,然而霹靂還有幾個20年能累積呢
?
--
: 剛有看到少主去上通識課說布袋戲的主客層是40歲上下
: 說是因為死水一攤難擴增...
: 對於那樣的說法
: 個人覺得是自己無法寫好劇本的推辭
: 試想如果40歲上下是霹靂的主客層
: 試問這些客層是不是因為當初20歲左右被培養起來的
: 在問若當初這些客層的人能被培養起來
: 請問難道不是因為當初的劇本吸引了這些客層嗎?
: 且這些客層以當初的年紀還有不少是大學生、高中生和剛出社會的人
: 當初這些客層可是最追潮流的年輕人
: 所以當初這些人最容易追新潮的年輕人腦子是殘障還是被雷打到
: 要不然怎會在當初最年輕最追求新潮的年紀去追古老傳統的布袋戲
: 所以不是當初的劇本、劇情足夠吸引人嗎?
: 再說
: 若以少主的理論當初應該也有一大票不會擴增和漂移的40歲老粉才對
: 照理現在應該也都是60歲爺爺奶奶級的超級老粉
: 所以理論上霹靂應該是擁有40歲以上的大票鐵粉才對
: 但實際呢?
: 少主的說法實講究是她不想經營老粉而已
: 少主只想從新培養忠於他黃亮勋鐵粉而已
: 少主只是不想在老臣和老鐵粉的監視和壓力下發展而已,他想任意徜徉、肆意發揮
: 但實際上他做的努力是怎樣
: 不提和日本老虛合作的戲(畢竟主要還是劇本夠硬夠精彩,要不然怎會有鐵粉)
: 電影他主導失敗、他接手期間的"素還真"也沒多好
: 回看黃亮勋接收霹靂主政期間後賣得主劇
: 撇開神系列黃文擇和黃亮勋屬交接期
: 試問黃少主主政的期間
: 哪一部不是賣舊劇和舊角情懷才有亮點
: 他新推的新角哪一部真的有起色的
: 且即便是有亮點也都是老角在賣肉才有的
: 實際上劇本本身還是有著各種問題
: 廢話那麼多回到正題
: 說要怎樣才能有記憶點
: 個人覺得最大的前提是編劇得自己先有料
: 其次是編劇寫劇不要老是想把設定在劇中"講出來"
: 編劇在角色塑造上應該是已故事為先
: 而不該以設計偶像為角度去設計故事
: 這樣寫出的腳色才會是真的是因應劇本和故事而生的
: 而不是寫出一個沒有啥亮點的過場偶像角或路人ABC
: 最後就是
: 編劇有沒有料是體現在文字的洗鍊運用和適當的劇情發展
: 文字和詩詞的創造要符合角色人生體驗或事件發展
: 劇情發展涉及歷史時請讓霹靂的主歷史能接續,別一再地創造離奇的史前歷史、神代歷
史
: 好的詩句內容不是體現在生僻字的使用和大量堆詞藻的無意詩句
: 最重要的是不要少年不知愁強說愁的捏造情緒和煽動感情
: 請合理寫出故事發展需要的情緒
: 最後還是希望霹靂能著重在對自我了解後好的劇本產出
: 而不是老想模仿東模仿西
: 老妄想一砲而紅的無異議創意的仿造
: 還有就是別一堆支線到處開花百花齊放
: 能不能有主線和小小小支線發展舊好
: PS:
: 去你媽的密室事件幾時要結束
: 還無意義且沒內涵的宮廷爭鬥能不能別寫
好劇本的產出不是一個編劇說:我今天要寫好劇本!然後就有了,而是在海量的劇本產出
裡面,其中有一兩部被觀眾認定為好劇本
韓劇日本動漫很多人看,是建立在極高產量上,看到難看的就換下一部,布袋戲產業沒有
這樣的奢侈,霹靂難看就看金光,金光也難看就不看了
但太平式人設可不一樣,公式套一套幾乎能保證獲利,你所說妄想一炮而紅,哪一部新角
真的有起色,沒啥亮點的偶像角,這些描述表示你根本不知道套太平公式的效益有多高,
設定寫好劇情亂寫的情況下,官會前十名有七個太平角,他們每次見面會拍照券,周邊,
木偶賣得多好
在這種環境下,追求劇本,在播出之前完全不知道你這會不會被觀眾認為是好劇本,還是
寫一個你也知道不是好劇,但可以確保周邊收益,觀影人數也維持住,讓公司活下去,絕
對是後者的風險比較小,如果你說要靠劇本養出新的客群,我只能說祝你好運
至於你要說霹靂以前劇本比較優秀,鐵定是比較優秀的,但那20年也不是每一部都優秀吧
,而是20年間累積了一些優秀作品足夠蓋過那些不好的,然而霹靂還有幾個20年能累積呢
?
--
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