美隊3:英雄內戰 - 電影
By Belly
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※ 引述《dxdy (=rdrdθ=dS)》之銘言:
: ※ 引述《tpwin7 (Win7)》之銘言:
: : 大家都是支持哪一方呢
: : 我是偏向#TeamIronMan
: : 我覺得既然人民開始畏懼了
: : 身為一個拯救世界的英雄不是就該讓人民安心嗎
: : 反正註不註冊不都是一樣要執行任務
: : 是說到時電影上映
: : 電影院會不會在售票時問Whose side are you on?
: : 然後分別給雙號座位位跟單號坐位XDD
: 雖然漫畫也是這樣 但我覺得本身的設定很怪
: 隊長是正義的化身 一向都是站在人民這邊 竟然是反註冊派
: 東尼給人的感覺就是肚濫政府 我行我素 結果是站在政府這邊的註冊派
: 是我對角色或劇情了解的不夠深入嗎?
就是因為隊長是站在人權自由這邊的,才會反對註冊法案。
註冊法案的起源是這樣的,早在超級英雄氾濫之後的美國,
這份法案就已經在美國國會的文件抽屜裏面養灰塵了,
但是一個偶然的意外,一群年輕超級英雄在電視實境節目追捕反派的時候,
逼得其中一個反派狗急跳牆,自爆,把追捕場所(學校)裡面所有師生都炸死了。
這件事情因為活生生發生在美國人民的眼前,
給了國會一個絕佳的天賜良機,讓他們把塵封已久的超級英雄註冊法案快速通過,
最後變成所有超級英雄都必須被政府掌握,
掌握你的祕密身分,掌握你的行蹤,掌握你的行動,甚至直接把你編制進入政府體系,
幫政府做事,變成類似作戰單位這樣的士兵。
回到註冊派跟反註冊派的理念,
註冊派的想法很直接也很討喜,人民需要我們節制,人民需要保障,人民需要安全,
所以我們就把自己節制在國家這個龐大機器的管制下,
任何使我們擦槍走火的動機跟意外,都有國家做節制,
萬一真的又發生什麼悲劇,也有國家做背書。
問題是真的是這樣嗎??
我支持反註冊派的原因不是因為什麼女巫的奶很大,巴其是好基友這種東西,
那是一個最最基本的核心問題:
國家機器,可不可以為了安全,去限縮甚至殘害任何公民個體的憲法賦予的權利??
國家暴力,可不可以為了社會安定,去剝奪任何一個人類個體的基本人權跟自由??
最近有個國民黨的立委很紅,叫做許毓仁,
他幾天前在質詢法務部長羅瑩雪的時候有提到,
他希望法務部以及其他行政部會,可以主動去"監控"網路,
還說要介紹羅瑩雪網路高手。
後來遭群起圍攻,他出來澄清的言詞說他的原意只是要政府單位,
"掌握"網路言論的脈動。
我為什麼要提這個例子??因為這正好就是內戰的政府派跟反註冊派衝突的點。
網路言論跟輿論的力量難以估計,所及範疇更是無遠弗屆,
如果因為他的可能性,強大性以及難以掌控性,
而對之了解,做出掌握,並且在適當時候與之互動,
我想不會有人反對。
但是這些不就是政府已經對MCU的英雄們,已經正在做的事情了嗎??
那如果有人要監控網路呢??
如果有人要網路實名制,所有人所有發言都要攤在公權力面前追究追討,
甚至用這個方式過濾發言,選擇性刪除發言,
扛著網路安全跟反網路霸凌的大旗限縮所有網路使用者的權力,侵犯他們隱私,
你覺得這樣還是的對嗎??
你知道蜘蛛人當時公開自己祕密身分之後的結果是什麼嗎??
蜘蛛人歷年累積的反派天敵,
大家跑到梅嬸家去開下午茶會,好不熱鬧。
所以為了大眾的安全,就要犧牲這些人的安全嗎????
況且我一直提一個美國隊長的核心精神,
這個核心精神就是民主跟自由最基本的組成: 不信任。
民主社會為什麼要監督政府??為什麼我們的法治系統是辯護制??
最基本的原因就是我們雖然需要一個龐大的國家機器維繫社會運作,
但是我們不能安心地什麼都不做就把全部事情都交給這個國家機器,
不然如果這個龐然巨獸一旦走偏,國家暴力產生,對個體造成各種損害,
對個體人權自由造成迫害,那就是民主價值的崩潰。
你把所有超級英雄全部解密,然後全部納入政府的管轄,
他們就不會做壞事了嗎??他們就不會走偏了嗎??
看過守護者嗎??記得守護者有個一出場就被殺掉的超級英雄,
叫做笑匠的嗎??
笑匠在美國政府的管轄下,毫無負擔毫無責任地幹了多少壞事,
強姦,濫殺,報私怨,
連水門案的記者都直接暗殺了沒在跟你客氣的,
這種嚴重侵害人權的行為,請問是把這些所謂的超級英雄納入註冊名單,納入政府體系,
就不會發生,就可以粉飾太平的嗎??
我再講一個漫威曾經發生過的事情,
假設大家都好乖乖好棒棒,全部註冊給政府,
要拿錢的就跟政府的旗子走跟著政府做事,
想置身事外的就只是在登錄名冊寫下自己的真實姓名跟真實住址,
結果你發現,國防部長是Norman Osborn。
你放心嗎??你身為一個普通死老百姓,你安心了嗎??
你的生命財產因為所有超級英雄都規綠惡魔管,
所以就一切安泰了嗎??
所以又回到一個所有故事最基本的老調重彈:
美國隊長維護的不是政府,是美國的精神,是人權跟自由,
那把所有大規模破壞兵器,把所有高級作戰人力資源,把所有洞見計畫航母哨槍,
全部委託一個強大且團結的大有為的OP巨大國家機器來執行武力,
你覺得這是自由,還是恐懼??
--
: ※ 引述《tpwin7 (Win7)》之銘言:
: : 大家都是支持哪一方呢
: : 我是偏向#TeamIronMan
: : 我覺得既然人民開始畏懼了
: : 身為一個拯救世界的英雄不是就該讓人民安心嗎
: : 反正註不註冊不都是一樣要執行任務
: : 是說到時電影上映
: : 電影院會不會在售票時問Whose side are you on?
: : 然後分別給雙號座位位跟單號坐位XDD
: 雖然漫畫也是這樣 但我覺得本身的設定很怪
: 隊長是正義的化身 一向都是站在人民這邊 竟然是反註冊派
: 東尼給人的感覺就是肚濫政府 我行我素 結果是站在政府這邊的註冊派
: 是我對角色或劇情了解的不夠深入嗎?
就是因為隊長是站在人權自由這邊的,才會反對註冊法案。
註冊法案的起源是這樣的,早在超級英雄氾濫之後的美國,
這份法案就已經在美國國會的文件抽屜裏面養灰塵了,
但是一個偶然的意外,一群年輕超級英雄在電視實境節目追捕反派的時候,
逼得其中一個反派狗急跳牆,自爆,把追捕場所(學校)裡面所有師生都炸死了。
這件事情因為活生生發生在美國人民的眼前,
給了國會一個絕佳的天賜良機,讓他們把塵封已久的超級英雄註冊法案快速通過,
最後變成所有超級英雄都必須被政府掌握,
掌握你的祕密身分,掌握你的行蹤,掌握你的行動,甚至直接把你編制進入政府體系,
幫政府做事,變成類似作戰單位這樣的士兵。
回到註冊派跟反註冊派的理念,
註冊派的想法很直接也很討喜,人民需要我們節制,人民需要保障,人民需要安全,
所以我們就把自己節制在國家這個龐大機器的管制下,
任何使我們擦槍走火的動機跟意外,都有國家做節制,
萬一真的又發生什麼悲劇,也有國家做背書。
問題是真的是這樣嗎??
我支持反註冊派的原因不是因為什麼女巫的奶很大,巴其是好基友這種東西,
那是一個最最基本的核心問題:
國家機器,可不可以為了安全,去限縮甚至殘害任何公民個體的憲法賦予的權利??
國家暴力,可不可以為了社會安定,去剝奪任何一個人類個體的基本人權跟自由??
最近有個國民黨的立委很紅,叫做許毓仁,
他幾天前在質詢法務部長羅瑩雪的時候有提到,
他希望法務部以及其他行政部會,可以主動去"監控"網路,
還說要介紹羅瑩雪網路高手。
後來遭群起圍攻,他出來澄清的言詞說他的原意只是要政府單位,
"掌握"網路言論的脈動。
我為什麼要提這個例子??因為這正好就是內戰的政府派跟反註冊派衝突的點。
網路言論跟輿論的力量難以估計,所及範疇更是無遠弗屆,
如果因為他的可能性,強大性以及難以掌控性,
而對之了解,做出掌握,並且在適當時候與之互動,
我想不會有人反對。
但是這些不就是政府已經對MCU的英雄們,已經正在做的事情了嗎??
那如果有人要監控網路呢??
如果有人要網路實名制,所有人所有發言都要攤在公權力面前追究追討,
甚至用這個方式過濾發言,選擇性刪除發言,
扛著網路安全跟反網路霸凌的大旗限縮所有網路使用者的權力,侵犯他們隱私,
你覺得這樣還是的對嗎??
你知道蜘蛛人當時公開自己祕密身分之後的結果是什麼嗎??
蜘蛛人歷年累積的反派天敵,
大家跑到梅嬸家去開下午茶會,好不熱鬧。
所以為了大眾的安全,就要犧牲這些人的安全嗎????
況且我一直提一個美國隊長的核心精神,
這個核心精神就是民主跟自由最基本的組成: 不信任。
民主社會為什麼要監督政府??為什麼我們的法治系統是辯護制??
最基本的原因就是我們雖然需要一個龐大的國家機器維繫社會運作,
但是我們不能安心地什麼都不做就把全部事情都交給這個國家機器,
不然如果這個龐然巨獸一旦走偏,國家暴力產生,對個體造成各種損害,
對個體人權自由造成迫害,那就是民主價值的崩潰。
你把所有超級英雄全部解密,然後全部納入政府的管轄,
他們就不會做壞事了嗎??他們就不會走偏了嗎??
看過守護者嗎??記得守護者有個一出場就被殺掉的超級英雄,
叫做笑匠的嗎??
笑匠在美國政府的管轄下,毫無負擔毫無責任地幹了多少壞事,
強姦,濫殺,報私怨,
連水門案的記者都直接暗殺了沒在跟你客氣的,
這種嚴重侵害人權的行為,請問是把這些所謂的超級英雄納入註冊名單,納入政府體系,
就不會發生,就可以粉飾太平的嗎??
我再講一個漫威曾經發生過的事情,
假設大家都好乖乖好棒棒,全部註冊給政府,
要拿錢的就跟政府的旗子走跟著政府做事,
想置身事外的就只是在登錄名冊寫下自己的真實姓名跟真實住址,
結果你發現,國防部長是Norman Osborn。
你放心嗎??你身為一個普通死老百姓,你安心了嗎??
你的生命財產因為所有超級英雄都規綠惡魔管,
所以就一切安泰了嗎??
所以又回到一個所有故事最基本的老調重彈:
美國隊長維護的不是政府,是美國的精神,是人權跟自由,
那把所有大規模破壞兵器,把所有高級作戰人力資源,把所有洞見計畫航母哨槍,
全部委託一個強大且團結的大有為的OP巨大國家機器來執行武力,
你覺得這是自由,還是恐懼??
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