華納為什麼做不好DCEU? - 電影
By Puput
at 2017-12-01T15:15
at 2017-12-01T15:15
Table of Contents
※ 引述《lichris820 (克里斯李)》之銘言:
: 其實華納作改編電影已經不是第一次
: 黑暗騎士三部曲是因為諾蘭強大的功力
: 那也就算了
: 哈利波特跟哈比人系列電影
: 說實話也不能算是什麼難得一見的上等藝術之作
: 但至少也算是精彩可期耐人尋味的爆米花電影
: 而且以上這幾個系列電影
: 片長超過兩個半小時好像都是理所當然的事情
: 但是變成DCEU之後就一定要刪刪減減
: 同樣是近年華納出品的怪獸與他們的產地
: 票房跟評價也開出紅盤
: 同樣的事情卻不能映照在DCEU上面
: 到底為什麼
: 難以理解
劇本很重要
漫威雖然電影劇本大部分沒有到非常好,但是大致上都不屎
而dc......不說了
何況對dc來說,如果他們想要走跟漫威不同風格,往黑深殘的領域去做
劇本就會變得更重要
人在開心的時候會比較忽略劇情漏洞,畢竟會妨礙我們找樂子
但當虐的時候,試圖讓你思考的時候,劇情的合理性就會被放大檢視
這就是為什麼漫威的反派雖然一向都很白痴,大家還是看得很爽的原因
因為圖個樂嘛,反派當小丑看看就好
把重點放在英雄的腳色塑造上,漫威很清楚自己的優勢
dc如果想贏,而且是用自己的風格去贏
只能靠過硬的劇本來支撐
就像諾蘭的做法,重點描寫反派,從夠有說服力跟強度的反派開始,把整部電影帶到哲學
跟人性反思的領域
身為DC粉,我其實很希望他們堅持往不義聯盟的方向去做
但是從ss開始他們就一直試圖想導正自己電影的風格
想向大眾向市場靠攏
個人認為這完全就是錯誤的策略,明明前兩部雖然評價不好,票房還是賺回來了啊
到底為什麼硬要迎合市場?你拼輕鬆幽默又拼不贏漫威,人家甩你幾十條街
太過急著想要改變大眾對自己的既定印象
,結果就是拿出ss這種屎一般的劇本
說真的,我本來想看的ss是瓦勒強迫這隊罪犯去什麼犯罪都市殲滅小丑的幫派,順便搞屠
城之類的,畢竟這種勾當才會是只能讓罪犯去幹的嘛
結果他媽的竟然是要這些惡棍去打自己放出來的惡棍
到底是三小
如果能把劇本拿好,你要拍的再黑都會賺啦!
看看羅根!就是很不錯的劇本,就算超血腥配上超致鬱的金剛狼,最後卻給人涅槃重生的
希望
就像黑暗騎士裡面小丑對船上兩群人創造的道德危機,讓最後兩邊的人都丟下引爆器的結
果更加大快人心
這就是只有黑深殘題材才能產生的戲劇張力,為什麼不往這種方向去做呢?
像BvS講了整部電影的神與人,道德與法律扒拉扒拉的,結果後面卻用瑪莎之力強行和好
,強行變回打大BOSS的傳統商業片,然後又強行便當
真的讓人很無語
HISHE的那位大哥在JL的影評裡面講的那個BvS劇本就非常棒啊,稍微潤飾過後會變成好電
影
就算把蝙蝠俠做黑暗,把超人做死了得罪粉絲又如何?DC不是從來就不缺平行宇宙嗎
不管漫畫裡的蝙蝠俠跟超人什麼樣子,都跟電影無關吧
想看闔家歡樂溫馨感人,你可以去看閃電俠影集啊!
何況最後你還是把超人做死了,還是把蝙蝠俠做黑了
那幹嘛不黑到底呢?幹嘛不讓超人死的更驚世駭俗一點呢?
都是劇本惹得禍啊!
--
: 其實華納作改編電影已經不是第一次
: 黑暗騎士三部曲是因為諾蘭強大的功力
: 那也就算了
: 哈利波特跟哈比人系列電影
: 說實話也不能算是什麼難得一見的上等藝術之作
: 但至少也算是精彩可期耐人尋味的爆米花電影
: 而且以上這幾個系列電影
: 片長超過兩個半小時好像都是理所當然的事情
: 但是變成DCEU之後就一定要刪刪減減
: 同樣是近年華納出品的怪獸與他們的產地
: 票房跟評價也開出紅盤
: 同樣的事情卻不能映照在DCEU上面
: 到底為什麼
: 難以理解
劇本很重要
漫威雖然電影劇本大部分沒有到非常好,但是大致上都不屎
而dc......不說了
何況對dc來說,如果他們想要走跟漫威不同風格,往黑深殘的領域去做
劇本就會變得更重要
人在開心的時候會比較忽略劇情漏洞,畢竟會妨礙我們找樂子
但當虐的時候,試圖讓你思考的時候,劇情的合理性就會被放大檢視
這就是為什麼漫威的反派雖然一向都很白痴,大家還是看得很爽的原因
因為圖個樂嘛,反派當小丑看看就好
把重點放在英雄的腳色塑造上,漫威很清楚自己的優勢
dc如果想贏,而且是用自己的風格去贏
只能靠過硬的劇本來支撐
就像諾蘭的做法,重點描寫反派,從夠有說服力跟強度的反派開始,把整部電影帶到哲學
跟人性反思的領域
身為DC粉,我其實很希望他們堅持往不義聯盟的方向去做
但是從ss開始他們就一直試圖想導正自己電影的風格
想向大眾向市場靠攏
個人認為這完全就是錯誤的策略,明明前兩部雖然評價不好,票房還是賺回來了啊
到底為什麼硬要迎合市場?你拼輕鬆幽默又拼不贏漫威,人家甩你幾十條街
太過急著想要改變大眾對自己的既定印象
,結果就是拿出ss這種屎一般的劇本
說真的,我本來想看的ss是瓦勒強迫這隊罪犯去什麼犯罪都市殲滅小丑的幫派,順便搞屠
城之類的,畢竟這種勾當才會是只能讓罪犯去幹的嘛
結果他媽的竟然是要這些惡棍去打自己放出來的惡棍
到底是三小
如果能把劇本拿好,你要拍的再黑都會賺啦!
看看羅根!就是很不錯的劇本,就算超血腥配上超致鬱的金剛狼,最後卻給人涅槃重生的
希望
就像黑暗騎士裡面小丑對船上兩群人創造的道德危機,讓最後兩邊的人都丟下引爆器的結
果更加大快人心
這就是只有黑深殘題材才能產生的戲劇張力,為什麼不往這種方向去做呢?
像BvS講了整部電影的神與人,道德與法律扒拉扒拉的,結果後面卻用瑪莎之力強行和好
,強行變回打大BOSS的傳統商業片,然後又強行便當
真的讓人很無語
HISHE的那位大哥在JL的影評裡面講的那個BvS劇本就非常棒啊,稍微潤飾過後會變成好電
影
就算把蝙蝠俠做黑暗,把超人做死了得罪粉絲又如何?DC不是從來就不缺平行宇宙嗎
不管漫畫裡的蝙蝠俠跟超人什麼樣子,都跟電影無關吧
想看闔家歡樂溫馨感人,你可以去看閃電俠影集啊!
何況最後你還是把超人做死了,還是把蝙蝠俠做黑了
那幹嘛不黑到底呢?幹嘛不讓超人死的更驚世駭俗一點呢?
都是劇本惹得禍啊!
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