被出賣的台灣 - 電影
By Necoo
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※ 引述《armida (東岐明)》之銘言:
: 更重要的是連一些基本史實都搞錯,造成了歪曲史實又錯置時代的謬誤。
: 基本上,若要拍攝一部反映時代的電影,當然可以虛構人物,但可不能虛構時代背景。
抱歉打個差,你大概不熟悉你舉例的電影。
因為梅伯的《英雄本色》亂鬥的程度並不下本片,
時代背景也一堆錯置,盡管沒有上下幾百年的亂鬥,
但幾十年時空的錯亂是有的,比被出賣的台灣等級還誇張。
若要說美化醜化特定勢力的政治立場詮釋,
也比被出賣的台灣要扯很多。
你要說服裝,英雄本色的服裝也很亂搞,
只是很符合現代人對中世紀髒兮兮的偏見而已。
: 若有人平時聽了一些英國史話,憑著他的想像,創作出一部心目中偉大的《英雄本色》。
你答對了,英雄本色就是這樣的一部片。
英雄本色的編劇是美籍蘇格蘭譯人士,
有一天跑到蘇格蘭玩,發現他的姓氏「華勒斯」居然出現在紀念碑上,
回家查族譜發現,靠杯真的是我祖先耶!
就隨便查了一下歷史然後亂拍了這部片。
: 《英雄本色》若是加入清教徒革命的事蹟,配合克倫威爾起事反抗英王。
: 或是北歐維京人也登陸來軋一角,加入梅的反抗軍以進攻英格蘭。
: 甚或梅的部隊是要配合希特勒而反抗英國,而遭到大英帝國皇家空軍的空襲。
: 清教徒、維京人、皇家空軍都曾出現在英國史,但若與之混編,就是虛構時代背景了。
舉幾個英雄本色不屬實的例子,
威廉華勒斯是在領主的私有河非法偷釣魚被守衛抓到,
不小心打死了守衛才一不做二不休的搞起了革命,
不是甚麼老婆被殺。
初夜權也不是甚麼激起民怨的事,
事實上那時候的鄉民很迷信,認為處女血是不吉的,
只有高貴的貴族能破這種災,所以鄉民會主動找領主去破。
破處女也不見得是用身體去搞上床,更多是拿個儀式用的木棍,
在教士見證下戳破處女膜而已。
這段劇情完完全全就是蓄意醜化英國統治。
事實上威廉華勒斯的叛軍強姦民女一類的事情幹的也不少,
而其中一場戰鬥史實上是發生在一條河的兩岸,但電影連橋都沒有。
打敗仗也不是甚麼被自己的貴族背叛,長腿王也沒有叫弓箭手射自己人。
那個公主史實上也不是甚麼嬌弱女子,
她可是人稱「法國母狼」的中世紀女強人,
更不要說甚麼跟威廉華勒斯上床這種百分之百豪洨的劇情。
(威廉華勒斯被分屍的時候對方好像還是小女孩,這我不確定)
原波說的那種上下幾百年的亂鬥能編起來也太神了。
但那個蘇格蘭王和威廉華勒斯不可能是好馬吉,
因為他們時間相差了約三十年,根本不可能有交情可言。
那個蘇格蘭王也不是片中的膽小廢柴,
而是被視為蘇格蘭獨立之父的偉大君王。
其他歷史專業的可以找出更多兔曹梗,
不過暫時先這樣。
看完這些,
你還會覺得拿《英雄本色》比《被出賣的台灣》,
後者算改編史實很多?(茶
: 對於不了解歷史發展的孩子,看見陸海空的英雄大戰,或許會深覺英雄氣概。
: 可對於熟悉史實背景的蘇格蘭人而言,那真是情何以堪!
事實上蘇格蘭鄉民不介意,(歷史教授們比較介意)
因為在英雄本色出來前,
他們壓根忘記了歷史上有個民族英雄叫威廉華勒斯。
歷史改編電影本來就只要讓人對歷史有興趣就夠了,
才沒有甚麼要傳播正確知識的責任。
--
: 更重要的是連一些基本史實都搞錯,造成了歪曲史實又錯置時代的謬誤。
: 基本上,若要拍攝一部反映時代的電影,當然可以虛構人物,但可不能虛構時代背景。
抱歉打個差,你大概不熟悉你舉例的電影。
因為梅伯的《英雄本色》亂鬥的程度並不下本片,
時代背景也一堆錯置,盡管沒有上下幾百年的亂鬥,
但幾十年時空的錯亂是有的,比被出賣的台灣等級還誇張。
若要說美化醜化特定勢力的政治立場詮釋,
也比被出賣的台灣要扯很多。
你要說服裝,英雄本色的服裝也很亂搞,
只是很符合現代人對中世紀髒兮兮的偏見而已。
: 若有人平時聽了一些英國史話,憑著他的想像,創作出一部心目中偉大的《英雄本色》。
你答對了,英雄本色就是這樣的一部片。
英雄本色的編劇是美籍蘇格蘭譯人士,
有一天跑到蘇格蘭玩,發現他的姓氏「華勒斯」居然出現在紀念碑上,
回家查族譜發現,靠杯真的是我祖先耶!
就隨便查了一下歷史然後亂拍了這部片。
: 《英雄本色》若是加入清教徒革命的事蹟,配合克倫威爾起事反抗英王。
: 或是北歐維京人也登陸來軋一角,加入梅的反抗軍以進攻英格蘭。
: 甚或梅的部隊是要配合希特勒而反抗英國,而遭到大英帝國皇家空軍的空襲。
: 清教徒、維京人、皇家空軍都曾出現在英國史,但若與之混編,就是虛構時代背景了。
舉幾個英雄本色不屬實的例子,
威廉華勒斯是在領主的私有河非法偷釣魚被守衛抓到,
不小心打死了守衛才一不做二不休的搞起了革命,
不是甚麼老婆被殺。
初夜權也不是甚麼激起民怨的事,
事實上那時候的鄉民很迷信,認為處女血是不吉的,
只有高貴的貴族能破這種災,所以鄉民會主動找領主去破。
破處女也不見得是用身體去搞上床,更多是拿個儀式用的木棍,
在教士見證下戳破處女膜而已。
這段劇情完完全全就是蓄意醜化英國統治。
事實上威廉華勒斯的叛軍強姦民女一類的事情幹的也不少,
而其中一場戰鬥史實上是發生在一條河的兩岸,但電影連橋都沒有。
打敗仗也不是甚麼被自己的貴族背叛,長腿王也沒有叫弓箭手射自己人。
那個公主史實上也不是甚麼嬌弱女子,
她可是人稱「法國母狼」的中世紀女強人,
更不要說甚麼跟威廉華勒斯上床這種百分之百豪洨的劇情。
(威廉華勒斯被分屍的時候對方好像還是小女孩,這我不確定)
原波說的那種上下幾百年的亂鬥能編起來也太神了。
但那個蘇格蘭王和威廉華勒斯不可能是好馬吉,
因為他們時間相差了約三十年,根本不可能有交情可言。
那個蘇格蘭王也不是片中的膽小廢柴,
而是被視為蘇格蘭獨立之父的偉大君王。
其他歷史專業的可以找出更多兔曹梗,
不過暫時先這樣。
看完這些,
你還會覺得拿《英雄本色》比《被出賣的台灣》,
後者算改編史實很多?(茶
: 對於不了解歷史發展的孩子,看見陸海空的英雄大戰,或許會深覺英雄氣概。
: 可對於熟悉史實背景的蘇格蘭人而言,那真是情何以堪!
事實上蘇格蘭鄉民不介意,(歷史教授們比較介意)
因為在英雄本色出來前,
他們壓根忘記了歷史上有個民族英雄叫威廉華勒斯。
歷史改編電影本來就只要讓人對歷史有興趣就夠了,
才沒有甚麼要傳播正確知識的責任。
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