關於素問的疑問 - 布袋戲
By Annie
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Table of Contents
※ 引述《christiel13》之銘言
: 對編劇界不是那麼了解
: 也知道她一直頗負爭議
: 但據說素問=申呈山
: 很多人討厭她認為她神化素還真
: 小弟戲齡從九皇座開始
: 真心覺得有段時間的素還真(鍘龑史後期)真的弱到很讓人受不了
: 問天譴為他犧牲斷後,他就只為了逃到雲渡山發射一個機關自保?
: 那時候看得真的超氣
: 覺得主角也太弱了
: 完全看不出問天譴為他犧牲的價值
: 之後北窗伏龍也為他放棄治療屍毒的機會
: 真心不覺得這樣的素還真有多好
: 申呈山接手之後的素
: 雖然開始狂加主角威能
: 當然有人喜歡有人不喜歡
: 但素還真確實鮮少落入那種武功爛到不行的下場
: 對我而言還算可接受
: 也較少其他高手為了「救他」死掉的戲碼
: 就素的刻畫而言
: 起碼鷇音子與無夢生退場的時候有讓我感到不捨
: 另外她筆下的無衣師尹、江山快手、戢武王等,確實是一個偶像製造機,劇情不論好壞,
: 也確實令人印象深刻,覺得還算是有一定實力的編劇
: 如果她不要再用角色賣腐,或主筆素還真(因為有些人不喜歡),回歸正劇大家可以接受
: 嗎?
: -----
多數觀眾不喜歡有幾個主因
首先是素問體,素問寫旁白寫角色獨白時,非常非常喜歡堆砌大量華麗又生硬冷僻的詞藻,
之形容
過頭,為賦新詞強說愁,不知收斂不知羞。
有一種她自己呼麻呼ㄎㄧㄤ了以後,一頭栽進自己自我陶醉的小泡泡世界裡的感覺。
蝶龍旁白有兩種文體,一種是直白單純的說話,一種就如上述,比如万俟焉決戰阿修羅主宰
的武戲旁白,差異非常明顯
簡單說就是很不像正常人類在說話,像是一個自以為文青的癮君子嗑藥嗑翻了的胡言亂語。
其次是素問的角色大多跟她的文體一樣,活在自己的夢裡,自以為是無病呻吟,無關大局卻
又戲份吃重,舉例如南風不競、殢無殤、暴雨心奴、花信風...etc
有一種浪人劍客出現在七龍珠裡,而且也不幫你們打佛力沙,自己一個人在旁邊玩的不協調
。
以及女角都必須要在柔弱中受盡折磨,用力展現堅強的刻板印象,如戟武王、風采玲
然後以上這些東西都通通無關主線卻大演特演。
最後就是最噁心的部分,素還真過度神化,早期的老素善權謀,富心機但有人性。
中期的老素多愁善感,整天傷春悲秋唱哭調,爭議但有人性。
中後期的老素自帶降智光環,分身層出不窮活像富江,人性慘遭打磨,漸漸只剩神性,神不
容許有缺點,神不容許有爭議,神更不需要與凡人爭輝,神只需要有,尊爵、俊逸、不凡。
----
Sent from BePTT on my iPhone 13
--
: 對編劇界不是那麼了解
: 也知道她一直頗負爭議
: 但據說素問=申呈山
: 很多人討厭她認為她神化素還真
: 小弟戲齡從九皇座開始
: 真心覺得有段時間的素還真(鍘龑史後期)真的弱到很讓人受不了
: 問天譴為他犧牲斷後,他就只為了逃到雲渡山發射一個機關自保?
: 那時候看得真的超氣
: 覺得主角也太弱了
: 完全看不出問天譴為他犧牲的價值
: 之後北窗伏龍也為他放棄治療屍毒的機會
: 真心不覺得這樣的素還真有多好
: 申呈山接手之後的素
: 雖然開始狂加主角威能
: 當然有人喜歡有人不喜歡
: 但素還真確實鮮少落入那種武功爛到不行的下場
: 對我而言還算可接受
: 也較少其他高手為了「救他」死掉的戲碼
: 就素的刻畫而言
: 起碼鷇音子與無夢生退場的時候有讓我感到不捨
: 另外她筆下的無衣師尹、江山快手、戢武王等,確實是一個偶像製造機,劇情不論好壞,
: 也確實令人印象深刻,覺得還算是有一定實力的編劇
: 如果她不要再用角色賣腐,或主筆素還真(因為有些人不喜歡),回歸正劇大家可以接受
: 嗎?
: -----
多數觀眾不喜歡有幾個主因
首先是素問體,素問寫旁白寫角色獨白時,非常非常喜歡堆砌大量華麗又生硬冷僻的詞藻,
之形容
過頭,為賦新詞強說愁,不知收斂不知羞。
有一種她自己呼麻呼ㄎㄧㄤ了以後,一頭栽進自己自我陶醉的小泡泡世界裡的感覺。
蝶龍旁白有兩種文體,一種是直白單純的說話,一種就如上述,比如万俟焉決戰阿修羅主宰
的武戲旁白,差異非常明顯
簡單說就是很不像正常人類在說話,像是一個自以為文青的癮君子嗑藥嗑翻了的胡言亂語。
其次是素問的角色大多跟她的文體一樣,活在自己的夢裡,自以為是無病呻吟,無關大局卻
又戲份吃重,舉例如南風不競、殢無殤、暴雨心奴、花信風...etc
有一種浪人劍客出現在七龍珠裡,而且也不幫你們打佛力沙,自己一個人在旁邊玩的不協調
。
以及女角都必須要在柔弱中受盡折磨,用力展現堅強的刻板印象,如戟武王、風采玲
然後以上這些東西都通通無關主線卻大演特演。
最後就是最噁心的部分,素還真過度神化,早期的老素善權謀,富心機但有人性。
中期的老素多愁善感,整天傷春悲秋唱哭調,爭議但有人性。
中後期的老素自帶降智光環,分身層出不窮活像富江,人性慘遭打磨,漸漸只剩神性,神不
容許有缺點,神不容許有爭議,神更不需要與凡人爭輝,神只需要有,尊爵、俊逸、不凡。
----
Sent from BePTT on my iPhone 13
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