魔戮25 我覺得苗疆進入爛尾的序曲 - 布袋戲
By Queena
at 2014-06-21T20:45
at 2014-06-21T20:45
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※ 引述《watanabekun ( ′_ >`)》之銘言:
: 對這個話題我已經感到很煩躁了,正反兩方包括我個人的情緒好像只有愈來愈高張。
: 但有些點我想需要被提起。支持「無間的正義」的道友不妨冷靜片刻一同思考看看。
用推文講好累
直接回文好了
: 1. 中谷大娘的罪在哪裡?
: → 親衛之死她都不是主犯。所以真有「殺我兄弟」之罪嗎? 又或只要是小王麾下之人皆
: 同罪的話,無償兄是不是之後得去原本東苗的軍營裡面割草了?
: 畢竟蒼越大大也沒說不能追究東苗兵啊。
: 何為惡人? 何為戰犯? 一切或許不過成王敗寇。 而正義的尺度永遠只由勝者裁量。
: 我能理解蒼越或親衛們對茹琳的恨。但這恨意其實和茹琳手上真正沾了多少血腥並無
: 關係。而是因為她的身上就是貼了個「叛賊」的標籤。
: 今天倘若法院不是蒼越他家開的,又時局不是他剛上位需要樹立權威,我想茹琳當真
: 罪不致死罷。
: 而我想,我是永遠不會理解看到茹琳那刀直覺反應是「爽!」的人了。
: 在我心中,茹琳的受害者角色是遠強於其加害者角色的。她比憑金吾更情有可原多了。
親衛之死她都不是主犯。所以真有「殺我兄弟」之罪嗎?←
不好意思
中谷大娘不是主犯
但他也是從犯
不可能無罪的好嗎
更何況直接行兇的畫面比你講的任何言詞都還要直接
中谷大娘要毒殺司空知命時
是慕雲追逸拼死去幫他擋下來
雖然當時慕雲追逸橫豎都是死
甚至最後是自暴逼退女暴君等人
但是你是司空知命
你只會認為女暴君跟中谷大娘是殺人兇手
冽風濤更是因為慕雲追逸之死對中古大娘不諒解
更別論後面毒林事件、西苗軍殲滅戰等
中古大娘都在東苗軍中
西苗軍該怎麼看她的身分
你說得什麼只因為她身上被貼叛賊的標籤
她不就好無辜都是別人冤枉她的?
你認為茹琳的受害者角色遠強於加害者
廢話你有上帝視角
你看得到她的掙扎她的心思
請問蒼狼跟西苗軍有沒有這種上帝視角可以看?
所以說你根本就一直沒搞懂別人在講什麼
: 2. 歲無償恨不恨冽風濤?
: → 冽風濤溝通不良,放任釀禍是為錯。但活的兄弟死的兄弟都是兄弟,歲無償究竟恨不
: 恨冽風濤?這份恨是不是凌駕了親衛之間的情誼?
: 我想不是的。若真恨、真沒愧疚,他不會站著受冽風濤那一拳。
: 但為什麼明知道是讓大多數生者皆痛苦的後果,歲無償仍要刺這一刀?
: 我以為,他心裡的最深重情緒,或許其實不是恨,而是悔。
: 他後悔,後悔在罪海時大家對於冽風濤的,太過輕忽的「成全」
: 他後悔,後悔在內亂中,自己挽回不了同袍兄弟們的生命。
: 重視親衛情誼的歲無償,在動亂的局面之下,其實是很無力的。
: 為什麼他不找白日無跡尋仇? 因為他辦不到,實力上或地位上皆不允許。
: 為什麼他不去殺女暴君? 因為她辦不到,女暴君的命是他主子蒼越要取的。
: 而為什麼他找上茹琳?
: 因為這是他想到的唯一一件,他可以自己為死去的兄弟做的事情。
: 或許,他根本不恨茹琳。茹琳只是個他在自己內心中對死去兄弟懺悔的祭品罷了。
: 今天要是有競日殘黨還在逃,我想歲無償會更加、更加樂意,去把刀子插在他們身上。
: (寫到此時想起了宮部美幸《模倣犯》中一幕。受害者家屬無能為力的悲憤和空虛。)
: 這是我沉澱了一天之後想出的,唯一一種能讓我不那麼怨恨歲無償的解釋。
看過投名狀沒有?
外人亂我兄弟者視投名狀必殺之
就算是二嫂也照殺不誤
更何況中谷大娘根本就是兇手之一
那一刀怎樣都得挨
歲無償恨冽風濤?
別鬧了
他根本不可能傷害冽風濤
就算在心裡幹譙冽風濤的女人
但也不是恨冽風濤
不要混為一談
: (但也有可能只是歲無償那段開殺理由的對話寫得太支離破碎而已。)
這一段等等複製推文貼上
: 3. 蒼越是否有更好的安排?
: → 竊以為開恩改判中谷大娘終生監禁,或編入新苗軍將功贖罪,賣冽風濤人情兼掌握人
: 質讓他未來毫無反叛之機是良策。
: 或許還可以因為冽風濤違抗上意來個威壓式的杖責,來削冽風濤威望兼昭示上下關係
: ,打完再對茹琳改判。依濤哥這悶不吭聲耿直個性,搞不好被打還會含笑謝主隆恩也
: 說不定。
: 茹琳其實是掌握司法權的蒼越手上一張好牌。他或赦或殺其實都可以收買部分人心。
: 唯如劇中一般,赦了──讓歲無償失望,又讓人死了──讓冽風濤絕望,似乎最後是
: 將這張牌隨意棄置,只換來了個兩頭空。
只能說你完全搞不清楚狀況
只要有點SENSE甚至只要有在看戲
你應該可以了解
忠貞的王族親衛根本不可能背叛蒼狼
蒼狼也一直把王族親衛當做兄弟一般
他們之間的羈絆與互信根本不需要搞什麼扣留人質的手段
以茹琳的身分
她就是被認定為競日孤鳴的爪牙
你說她該不該死
有沒有更好的安排都可以講都可以討論
但蒼狼就是無法容忍、要除之為後快
你只不過是用戲外人的角度
去指責戲內的角色要怎樣去做事情而已
你戲外怎樣講中谷大娘不是主犯、跟北競王只是雇傭關係、甚至只是為情所困
不要處死中谷大娘有多好多怎樣的
戲內誰鳥你?
: 對茹琳之死的這段劇情,我最終的評價大概便是如此:
: 精心設計過,卓越的最惡劣安排。皆大悲哀的收幕。
: 再次感佩金光編劇群的傑出。
這段蒼狼表現出的
是有別於顥穹與北競王的決事態度
我們可以看到他就是沒有顥穹的雷厲風行
也沒有北競王的長袖善舞
他就是一個還有成長空間的王者
這就是目前這幕戲要告訴我們的事情
至於你胡亂指責別人沒有邏輯怎樣的
我一笑置之
因為你根本沒有成熟到去懂得如何面對與你不同的意見
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: 對這個話題我已經感到很煩躁了,正反兩方包括我個人的情緒好像只有愈來愈高張。
: 但有些點我想需要被提起。支持「無間的正義」的道友不妨冷靜片刻一同思考看看。
用推文講好累
直接回文好了
: 1. 中谷大娘的罪在哪裡?
: → 親衛之死她都不是主犯。所以真有「殺我兄弟」之罪嗎? 又或只要是小王麾下之人皆
: 同罪的話,無償兄是不是之後得去原本東苗的軍營裡面割草了?
: 畢竟蒼越大大也沒說不能追究東苗兵啊。
: 何為惡人? 何為戰犯? 一切或許不過成王敗寇。 而正義的尺度永遠只由勝者裁量。
: 我能理解蒼越或親衛們對茹琳的恨。但這恨意其實和茹琳手上真正沾了多少血腥並無
: 關係。而是因為她的身上就是貼了個「叛賊」的標籤。
: 今天倘若法院不是蒼越他家開的,又時局不是他剛上位需要樹立權威,我想茹琳當真
: 罪不致死罷。
: 而我想,我是永遠不會理解看到茹琳那刀直覺反應是「爽!」的人了。
: 在我心中,茹琳的受害者角色是遠強於其加害者角色的。她比憑金吾更情有可原多了。
親衛之死她都不是主犯。所以真有「殺我兄弟」之罪嗎?←
不好意思
中谷大娘不是主犯
但他也是從犯
不可能無罪的好嗎
更何況直接行兇的畫面比你講的任何言詞都還要直接
中谷大娘要毒殺司空知命時
是慕雲追逸拼死去幫他擋下來
雖然當時慕雲追逸橫豎都是死
甚至最後是自暴逼退女暴君等人
但是你是司空知命
你只會認為女暴君跟中谷大娘是殺人兇手
冽風濤更是因為慕雲追逸之死對中古大娘不諒解
更別論後面毒林事件、西苗軍殲滅戰等
中古大娘都在東苗軍中
西苗軍該怎麼看她的身分
你說得什麼只因為她身上被貼叛賊的標籤
她不就好無辜都是別人冤枉她的?
你認為茹琳的受害者角色遠強於加害者
廢話你有上帝視角
你看得到她的掙扎她的心思
請問蒼狼跟西苗軍有沒有這種上帝視角可以看?
所以說你根本就一直沒搞懂別人在講什麼
: 2. 歲無償恨不恨冽風濤?
: → 冽風濤溝通不良,放任釀禍是為錯。但活的兄弟死的兄弟都是兄弟,歲無償究竟恨不
: 恨冽風濤?這份恨是不是凌駕了親衛之間的情誼?
: 我想不是的。若真恨、真沒愧疚,他不會站著受冽風濤那一拳。
: 但為什麼明知道是讓大多數生者皆痛苦的後果,歲無償仍要刺這一刀?
: 我以為,他心裡的最深重情緒,或許其實不是恨,而是悔。
: 他後悔,後悔在罪海時大家對於冽風濤的,太過輕忽的「成全」
: 他後悔,後悔在內亂中,自己挽回不了同袍兄弟們的生命。
: 重視親衛情誼的歲無償,在動亂的局面之下,其實是很無力的。
: 為什麼他不找白日無跡尋仇? 因為他辦不到,實力上或地位上皆不允許。
: 為什麼他不去殺女暴君? 因為她辦不到,女暴君的命是他主子蒼越要取的。
: 而為什麼他找上茹琳?
: 因為這是他想到的唯一一件,他可以自己為死去的兄弟做的事情。
: 或許,他根本不恨茹琳。茹琳只是個他在自己內心中對死去兄弟懺悔的祭品罷了。
: 今天要是有競日殘黨還在逃,我想歲無償會更加、更加樂意,去把刀子插在他們身上。
: (寫到此時想起了宮部美幸《模倣犯》中一幕。受害者家屬無能為力的悲憤和空虛。)
: 這是我沉澱了一天之後想出的,唯一一種能讓我不那麼怨恨歲無償的解釋。
看過投名狀沒有?
外人亂我兄弟者視投名狀必殺之
就算是二嫂也照殺不誤
更何況中谷大娘根本就是兇手之一
那一刀怎樣都得挨
歲無償恨冽風濤?
別鬧了
他根本不可能傷害冽風濤
就算在心裡幹譙冽風濤的女人
但也不是恨冽風濤
不要混為一談
: (但也有可能只是歲無償那段開殺理由的對話寫得太支離破碎而已。)
這一段等等複製推文貼上
→ lukiya9477:歲無常只是用這個事例講出王族親衛之間的情誼 06/21 13:52
→ lukiya9477:而且又直接拿先讓冽風濤出獄的事情講 06/21 13:53
→ lukiya9477:讓冽風濤連反駁的力場都沒有 06/21 13:53
→ lukiya9477:的確阿 大家為了成全你犧牲自己 結果你不顧兄弟的仇 06/21 13:54
→ lukiya9477:硬要保下中谷大娘 當其他人完全沒扣打非要成全你不可嗎 06/21 13:55
→ lukiya9477:為什麼不是你成全別人報仇的心意? 06/21 13:55
: 3. 蒼越是否有更好的安排?
: → 竊以為開恩改判中谷大娘終生監禁,或編入新苗軍將功贖罪,賣冽風濤人情兼掌握人
: 質讓他未來毫無反叛之機是良策。
: 或許還可以因為冽風濤違抗上意來個威壓式的杖責,來削冽風濤威望兼昭示上下關係
: ,打完再對茹琳改判。依濤哥這悶不吭聲耿直個性,搞不好被打還會含笑謝主隆恩也
: 說不定。
: 茹琳其實是掌握司法權的蒼越手上一張好牌。他或赦或殺其實都可以收買部分人心。
: 唯如劇中一般,赦了──讓歲無償失望,又讓人死了──讓冽風濤絕望,似乎最後是
: 將這張牌隨意棄置,只換來了個兩頭空。
只能說你完全搞不清楚狀況
只要有點SENSE甚至只要有在看戲
你應該可以了解
忠貞的王族親衛根本不可能背叛蒼狼
蒼狼也一直把王族親衛當做兄弟一般
他們之間的羈絆與互信根本不需要搞什麼扣留人質的手段
以茹琳的身分
她就是被認定為競日孤鳴的爪牙
你說她該不該死
有沒有更好的安排都可以講都可以討論
但蒼狼就是無法容忍、要除之為後快
你只不過是用戲外人的角度
去指責戲內的角色要怎樣去做事情而已
你戲外怎樣講中谷大娘不是主犯、跟北競王只是雇傭關係、甚至只是為情所困
不要處死中谷大娘有多好多怎樣的
戲內誰鳥你?
: 對茹琳之死的這段劇情,我最終的評價大概便是如此:
: 精心設計過,卓越的最惡劣安排。皆大悲哀的收幕。
: 再次感佩金光編劇群的傑出。
這段蒼狼表現出的
是有別於顥穹與北競王的決事態度
我們可以看到他就是沒有顥穹的雷厲風行
也沒有北競王的長袖善舞
他就是一個還有成長空間的王者
這就是目前這幕戲要告訴我們的事情
至於你胡亂指責別人沒有邏輯怎樣的
我一笑置之
因為你根本沒有成熟到去懂得如何面對與你不同的意見
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