默蒼離有比玄之玄高尚嗎? - 布袋戲
By Kama
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最近版上對於金光廢死議題,討論十分熱烈
讓筆者想反過來談一談,玄之玄跟默蒼離比起來,真的是壞人嗎?
其實我心中這個問題存在滿久了...
就是九算在金光劇中一直塑造成反派的形象
但九算也一直說默蒼離是墨家叛徒...
當然以我們觀眾立場,當然認為主角側的默蒼離才是正派
可是後來我仔細想想,被版上當神的默蒼離跟九算之恥玄之玄比起來,
真的有比較高尚嗎...?
玄之玄目前最黑最讓人垢病的地方,就是他耍兩面手法
擔任黑瞳之首,出賣中原人,背後算計修羅帝國
當修羅帝國倒台後,馬上一轉身,就化身為為中原英雄,然後追殺黑瞳殘黨
雖然目的是為了打倒修羅帝國,但是欺瞞、出賣、背叛,這就是他殘酷的手段
無可辯解
可是仔細一想,默蒼離不也幹了同樣的事情?
當初對抗帝鬼大軍
他不也欺騙中原群俠說亡命水沒有問題
為了消滅修羅軍的精銳,他不也放天允山毒氣,把中原的傷兵、令狐千里全部一起毒死
若非俏如來好運,不然此役他跟獨眼龍也是命絕於此
郭箏被魔兵要脅一事,他早也知情,但為了引誘魔軍,他還是把郭箏當誘餌,
郭箏最後的自盡,雖不能說是因默蒼離而起,但他也多少脫不了關係...
欺瞞、出賣、背叛,這些手段,默蒼離似乎也是用的得心應手...
那默和玄的差異點在哪裡?
或許有人認為,默蒼離不是為己,他連自己都可以犧牲來當做引誘帝鬼的誘餌
這點或許如此,但好像有點怪怪的...
因為玄之玄目前的計策還沒需要用自己的命來換,所以也不能斷言玄之玄不會犧牲自我
(雖然我還是認為他不會啦XD)
但反過來,默蒼離本來就不想活了,所以犧牲自己性命對他並不是很困難的決定
能因為一個想自殺的人,真的自殺了,所以就斷言他比較高尚,而另一個比較低劣嗎?
個人覺得不太公平...
所以他們的差別在於介入戰爭的動機嗎?
其實戲中對於默蒼離的目標和理想好像還沒演出來
個人的猜測是,默蒼離感覺比較像春秋戰國時代的墨家
為了達到兼愛非攻的目標
所以會去介入各種戰爭,弭平戰禍
而九算,目前看來他們的說法是
讓九界的政權皆由墨家的人所掌控,達到沒有戰爭,世界大同的目標(兼愛非攻)
先姑且相信九算的說法
金光劇中對九算的目標有兩個批判:
第一記得是默蒼離還是俏如來說過
九算會為了取得政權,而故意挑起糾紛和戰禍
第二就是俏如來在魔戮血戰最後一集對玄之玄講的
絕對的權力帶來腐化
老實說,針對第一點,其實現在戲中還看不太出來
目前已知九算:
鱗族師相取得政權的方式很和平,好像是本來就會當上師相,只是後來又加入九算XD
苗疆忘今焉是賽到的XD,可是當初提點蒼狼的手段也算十分正派,而且苗疆內戰也不是
九算搞出來的
中原玄之玄,的確當上盟主的手段很黑,但前面說過,默蒼離也半斤八兩
重點是,魔世之亂並不是他搞出來的,而他的確在平亂過程居功厥偉
那第二點的批判,其實我當下覺得滿好笑的..
絕對的權力帶來腐化...
隔壁苗疆的孤鳴家族表示...再旁邊的鱗族王上表示....
「絕對的權力帶來絕對的腐化」,這句話是來支持民主政治用的
金光世界中目前根本沒有看到一人一票的的真民主制度
(中原雖然有點像,不過比較像是中共那種集中民主制,幾個大頭推舉出盟主
西劍流不清楚,修羅帝國是比拳頭)
所以這句話根本不通阿!
說實在點,如果今天墨家的九算,有一套自己的程序,能讓最強的智者取得最高位
那給九算統治,恐怕也贏過苗疆那種世襲帝王制
苗疆內戰不就是孤鳴家族搞出來的嗎XD
放到其他界也說的通阿,如果今天九算可以依照中原的規矩當上盟主
比拳頭贏過修羅帝尊..你能說他們不對嗎?
所以第二點批判感覺根本牛頭不對馬嘴阿
講難聽一點,就算墨家九算在歷史上真的有為了取得政權,而引起動亂
可是如果是為了達到九界一同的目標,難道一定是錯的嗎?
就跟默蒼離對付帝鬼大軍用了很髒的手段一樣..但最後他就是贏了...
就我目前推測
默蒼離跟九算的差異,同樣為了達到墨家兼愛非攻的目標,但:
默蒼離是幫助被侵略者反擊,被動解除戰禍
九算是積極取得九界的政權,主動解除戰禍
而手段可能都很髒...
嚴格講起來,戰爭的因素很複雜,不能說那一種主張一定是對的
但好像也不能因此說九算是錯的..
尤其不能否認的是玄之玄當上盟主後,確實馬上完成中苗鱗和平協議
這好像是前主角雲洲大儒俠都沒完成的事情..
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以上為個人淺見
希望金光對於九算不要為反派而反派,能給觀眾多一點思考XD
另外很想知道如果今天換做是默蒼離當盟主,如果他也計算屠殺魔兵是最佳策略
不知道他會把菩提尊嘴到什麼程度XD
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讓筆者想反過來談一談,玄之玄跟默蒼離比起來,真的是壞人嗎?
其實我心中這個問題存在滿久了...
就是九算在金光劇中一直塑造成反派的形象
但九算也一直說默蒼離是墨家叛徒...
當然以我們觀眾立場,當然認為主角側的默蒼離才是正派
可是後來我仔細想想,被版上當神的默蒼離跟九算之恥玄之玄比起來,
真的有比較高尚嗎...?
玄之玄目前最黑最讓人垢病的地方,就是他耍兩面手法
擔任黑瞳之首,出賣中原人,背後算計修羅帝國
當修羅帝國倒台後,馬上一轉身,就化身為為中原英雄,然後追殺黑瞳殘黨
雖然目的是為了打倒修羅帝國,但是欺瞞、出賣、背叛,這就是他殘酷的手段
無可辯解
可是仔細一想,默蒼離不也幹了同樣的事情?
當初對抗帝鬼大軍
他不也欺騙中原群俠說亡命水沒有問題
為了消滅修羅軍的精銳,他不也放天允山毒氣,把中原的傷兵、令狐千里全部一起毒死
若非俏如來好運,不然此役他跟獨眼龍也是命絕於此
郭箏被魔兵要脅一事,他早也知情,但為了引誘魔軍,他還是把郭箏當誘餌,
郭箏最後的自盡,雖不能說是因默蒼離而起,但他也多少脫不了關係...
欺瞞、出賣、背叛,這些手段,默蒼離似乎也是用的得心應手...
那默和玄的差異點在哪裡?
或許有人認為,默蒼離不是為己,他連自己都可以犧牲來當做引誘帝鬼的誘餌
這點或許如此,但好像有點怪怪的...
因為玄之玄目前的計策還沒需要用自己的命來換,所以也不能斷言玄之玄不會犧牲自我
(雖然我還是認為他不會啦XD)
但反過來,默蒼離本來就不想活了,所以犧牲自己性命對他並不是很困難的決定
能因為一個想自殺的人,真的自殺了,所以就斷言他比較高尚,而另一個比較低劣嗎?
個人覺得不太公平...
所以他們的差別在於介入戰爭的動機嗎?
其實戲中對於默蒼離的目標和理想好像還沒演出來
個人的猜測是,默蒼離感覺比較像春秋戰國時代的墨家
為了達到兼愛非攻的目標
所以會去介入各種戰爭,弭平戰禍
而九算,目前看來他們的說法是
讓九界的政權皆由墨家的人所掌控,達到沒有戰爭,世界大同的目標(兼愛非攻)
先姑且相信九算的說法
金光劇中對九算的目標有兩個批判:
第一記得是默蒼離還是俏如來說過
九算會為了取得政權,而故意挑起糾紛和戰禍
第二就是俏如來在魔戮血戰最後一集對玄之玄講的
絕對的權力帶來腐化
老實說,針對第一點,其實現在戲中還看不太出來
目前已知九算:
鱗族師相取得政權的方式很和平,好像是本來就會當上師相,只是後來又加入九算XD
苗疆忘今焉是賽到的XD,可是當初提點蒼狼的手段也算十分正派,而且苗疆內戰也不是
九算搞出來的
中原玄之玄,的確當上盟主的手段很黑,但前面說過,默蒼離也半斤八兩
重點是,魔世之亂並不是他搞出來的,而他的確在平亂過程居功厥偉
那第二點的批判,其實我當下覺得滿好笑的..
絕對的權力帶來腐化...
隔壁苗疆的孤鳴家族表示...再旁邊的鱗族王上表示....
「絕對的權力帶來絕對的腐化」,這句話是來支持民主政治用的
金光世界中目前根本沒有看到一人一票的的真民主制度
(中原雖然有點像,不過比較像是中共那種集中民主制,幾個大頭推舉出盟主
西劍流不清楚,修羅帝國是比拳頭)
所以這句話根本不通阿!
說實在點,如果今天墨家的九算,有一套自己的程序,能讓最強的智者取得最高位
那給九算統治,恐怕也贏過苗疆那種世襲帝王制
苗疆內戰不就是孤鳴家族搞出來的嗎XD
放到其他界也說的通阿,如果今天九算可以依照中原的規矩當上盟主
比拳頭贏過修羅帝尊..你能說他們不對嗎?
所以第二點批判感覺根本牛頭不對馬嘴阿
講難聽一點,就算墨家九算在歷史上真的有為了取得政權,而引起動亂
可是如果是為了達到九界一同的目標,難道一定是錯的嗎?
就跟默蒼離對付帝鬼大軍用了很髒的手段一樣..但最後他就是贏了...
就我目前推測
默蒼離跟九算的差異,同樣為了達到墨家兼愛非攻的目標,但:
默蒼離是幫助被侵略者反擊,被動解除戰禍
九算是積極取得九界的政權,主動解除戰禍
而手段可能都很髒...
嚴格講起來,戰爭的因素很複雜,不能說那一種主張一定是對的
但好像也不能因此說九算是錯的..
尤其不能否認的是玄之玄當上盟主後,確實馬上完成中苗鱗和平協議
這好像是前主角雲洲大儒俠都沒完成的事情..
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
以上為個人淺見
希望金光對於九算不要為反派而反派,能給觀眾多一點思考XD
另外很想知道如果今天換做是默蒼離當盟主,如果他也計算屠殺魔兵是最佳策略
不知道他會把菩提尊嘴到什麼程度XD
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