8/17《那些年,我們一起追的女孩》慶功 … - 電影
By Joseph
at 2011-08-16T13:42
at 2011-08-16T13:42
Table of Contents
口碑場的問題何在,之前推文戰過不下數百回合
重新整理幾個爭執點,以及"那些年"提前一周全面舉辦口碑場對"阿信"的衝擊何在:
1.媒體宣傳效應:
之前板友shryuhuai對於上片前喬檔期與宣傳行程固定已經講得很清楚了,
就實際數據來看:
根據google新聞,若精確搜尋"那些年,我們一起追的女孩"
過去一個月新聞共78篇,過去一周就佔了50篇,
提前一周上映的策略,加上見面會、特映等密集活動宣傳,明顯有使其增加曝光。
(網路新聞恐怕還沒那麼明顯,但平面與廣電媒體版面與時段有限,
而且跑電影線的記者就那幾位,阿信的新聞曝光恐怕又會被排擠掉一些。)
此般的媒體效益,在PTT電影板上等網路論壇發酵得更明顯。
以本板為例,自8/12計算截止,
"那些年"的好雷及相關討論文章共186篇
"阿信"只有77篇,版面與氣勢有受排擠自然不言而喻,
就算"那些年"的影迷不一定會去看"阿信",卻也沖淡該片集中發送口碑的好雷氛圍,
減低了消費者期待,及進戲院觀賞以加入討論風潮的誘因。
2.後續廳數與場次走勢:
首週票房受波及,勢必影響到後續廳數消長,影響整體票房甚鉅,
根據開眼,目前"阿信"廳數54,到星期五被砍多少就知道影響有多少了。
"那些年"目前62廳(前幾天好像更多),這週正式上映應該至少不減。
3.票房拆帳:
首週票房對拆帳後續結果的影響再度引用此篇:
http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/movie/M.1221676437.A.08D.html
(以美商的作風而言,阿信在首週的拆帳很可能沒法如文中那麼高,又遇到那些年...)
4.客源重疊:
一直有人說這兩部片客源不會重疊,不要對阿信那麼沒信心,
儘管這是一個無法用統計實證的東西,但隨便列舉兩片共通因子:
a. 國片魂 (不可否認,部分學生與藝文族群的確對國片有較高認同)
b. 青春熱血 (體育熱血 vs. 把妹/格鬥熱血)
c. 某年齡層的懷舊氣氛 (80年代橫跨90初 vs.90年代中後)
d. 本土新生代明星 (彭于晏、林辰唏 vs. 陳妍希、柯震東)
e. 取材自導演真實人生,有相關系列作品 (紀錄片 vs. 小說)
g. 同性質節目宣傳 (大學生了沒 - 瞄準年輕學生族群
小燕之夜 - 分享人生故事與創作理念的感性訴求。)
......等等。
當然兩者在題材上對各年齡、性別族群的吸引力不盡相同,
但的確有相當一部分的重疊,說沒有影響是不可能的。
(除了我本人在內,身邊也遇過不只一位朋友對這兩片都同時感興趣。)
又有人會說,先看A再看B不就好了?
但同檔期競爭的,不就是消費者有限的時間與荷包嗎?
院線片的"新"本來就是此產品的一大訴求,
再者"阿信"本週末廳數與場次若因為同業競爭減少,
後續消費者選擇的方便性與意願也會降低,對票房當然有影響。
(還有人說,為什麼不說"那些年"是搶"車2"與"星際飆客"票源?
基本上這兩個都是好萊塢娛樂片,一個是主打動畫&親子族群,一個是特效爽片族群,
票房衝擊最大的當然還是語言文化、劇情元素最近似的"阿信"。)
---
再來討論一下 8/12~8/19口碑場做法,
根據九把刀本人於8/7的電影板發文 (#1EFQ5L2E),
顯示其對於發行商這樣的策略是完全知情且認可的,
目的是為了避開兩週後"賽德克巴萊"的強勢壓境。
這樣的作法有下列幾點爭議:
1. 突然宣布提前一周全台上映:
口碑場往往不是單日少數幾場的特映會形式,
就是在正式上映1~2週前的週末排2~4日的放映,
與正式放映有間隔一段時間,且規模也不一定是全台每間戲院,
(此種作法除了醞釀好口碑,有時候是為了和全球上映同步減少盜版殺傷力,)
"那些年"不但辦了七夕特映(這還合情合理),
後來更突然宣布以六十多廳的全面啟動之姿辦口碑場,而且連發到上映前,
每天雖然只有三場,但也都集中在午晚間的好時段。
幾乎可說是偷天換日的"提前上映",
不論是為了吸票房或是拼口碑站穩腳步,
破壞了之前之前喬好的檔期,這樣的作法真符合道義?
(同性質的大片避免兩敗俱傷通常會喬,
人際關係圈密切、片型又近似的本土電影就更不可能不喬了。)
事實結果證明,兩片北市票房勢均力敵,
"那些年"的平均單場票房甚至好上不少,
實質上早就超出"口碑場"的原有意義。
新聞:《那些年》3天撈1287萬 國片口碑場吸金王
http://blog.udn.com/beansprout36/5546429
2. 柿子挑軟的吃
如果是為了躲魏導的"賽"片,又何苦犧牲"阿信"?
"那些年"體質不錯又有書迷基本盤撐腰,同期新片只有"絕命終結站"一個敵手。
"阿信"同期有"星際飆客"、"車2"兩大片,與眾多藝術小片夾殺,
要突圍已經不容易,又來"那些年"落井下石,票房衝擊不在話下。
3. 說好的一起奮鬥呢?
九把刀認不認識"阿信"劇組? 有沒有說好一起奮鬥呢?
以下文字引用自九把刀部落格:
http://www.giddens.tw/blog/post/35301205
"話說其實整場頒獎典禮,我都在跟林育賢導演互傳簡訊,彼此打氣,
後來「翻滾吧!阿信」得獎,我真的很替林導開心。
阿信拍得真的很有誠意,實至名歸,很大慰藉了我這邊沒有得獎的心情。
"巧的是,頒獎典禮後阿信與那些年的慶功宴選擇的店家,竟然是在正對面!
所以囉我們吃吃喝喝結束後,我就帶著柯震東與陳妍希到阿信的場子去喝香檳,
感染一下阿信劇組的喜氣,莫名其妙的連我自己都變得蠻開心的,
我想,這就是電影的魔力吧哈哈哈哈!
拍片的人箇中辛苦與快樂,一下子就把大家的距離拉得好近,
香檳杯亂敲亂喝亂吆喝,完全就是太歡樂了。
真希望八月快點到來,「翻滾吧!阿信」與「那些年,我們一起追的女孩」
就可以再度並肩作戰了。"
上面這段話我想真心的成份不假,但如今看來卻也有點諷刺。
當然商場上只有利益與風險,沒有情義。
只是九把刀不厭其煩親自上網路與讀者互動,
時常把"熱血"、"愛"、"真心"等字眼掛在嘴邊,
無論有意無意,行銷的無非是一種真誠的形象,與單純、理想性的精神。
如今這種突襲式、不顧道義與他人死活的發行策略,
如某知名影評人所言,是否符合其本人所說的"熱血精神",就留給大家公評了。
※ 引述《shryuhuai ()》之銘言:
: 刀迷的邏輯一向很不好
: 所以我來說一說到底口碑場問題到底在哪裡好了
: 本來每部電影都是排好檔期的
: 各個劇組在經過考量後(包括演員本身知名度和同期上檔影片等)
: 決定宣傳行程的時間
: 以及請媒體幫忙發新聞等
: 如果搞不好也只能怪自己笨怨不得人
: 現在那些年等於是提早上映了
: 阿信按照原本檔期排的宣傳行程效果肯定會打折
: 更不要說那些年的宣傳行程完全是按照修改過的檔期排的
: 這不是吃人豆腐是什麼?
: 況且演員很多活動都是一兩個月前就排好的
: 不是要改就可以臨時改的
: 彭于晏18號人在北京
: 你告訴我他要怎麼宣傳?
: 如果阿信早知道要和那些年同時上映
: 那輸了也就罷了
: 你現在臨時改檔期破壞別人的宣傳效果
: 這算哪門子的一起努力啊?
: 希望我講得夠明白刀迷能夠懂
--
重新整理幾個爭執點,以及"那些年"提前一周全面舉辦口碑場對"阿信"的衝擊何在:
1.媒體宣傳效應:
之前板友shryuhuai對於上片前喬檔期與宣傳行程固定已經講得很清楚了,
就實際數據來看:
根據google新聞,若精確搜尋"那些年,我們一起追的女孩"
過去一個月新聞共78篇,過去一周就佔了50篇,
提前一周上映的策略,加上見面會、特映等密集活動宣傳,明顯有使其增加曝光。
(網路新聞恐怕還沒那麼明顯,但平面與廣電媒體版面與時段有限,
而且跑電影線的記者就那幾位,阿信的新聞曝光恐怕又會被排擠掉一些。)
此般的媒體效益,在PTT電影板上等網路論壇發酵得更明顯。
以本板為例,自8/12計算截止,
"那些年"的好雷及相關討論文章共186篇
"阿信"只有77篇,版面與氣勢有受排擠自然不言而喻,
就算"那些年"的影迷不一定會去看"阿信",卻也沖淡該片集中發送口碑的好雷氛圍,
減低了消費者期待,及進戲院觀賞以加入討論風潮的誘因。
2.後續廳數與場次走勢:
首週票房受波及,勢必影響到後續廳數消長,影響整體票房甚鉅,
根據開眼,目前"阿信"廳數54,到星期五被砍多少就知道影響有多少了。
"那些年"目前62廳(前幾天好像更多),這週正式上映應該至少不減。
3.票房拆帳:
首週票房對拆帳後續結果的影響再度引用此篇:
http://www.ptt.cc/bbs/movie/M.1221676437.A.08D.html
(以美商的作風而言,阿信在首週的拆帳很可能沒法如文中那麼高,又遇到那些年...)
4.客源重疊:
一直有人說這兩部片客源不會重疊,不要對阿信那麼沒信心,
儘管這是一個無法用統計實證的東西,但隨便列舉兩片共通因子:
a. 國片魂 (不可否認,部分學生與藝文族群的確對國片有較高認同)
b. 青春熱血 (體育熱血 vs. 把妹/格鬥熱血)
c. 某年齡層的懷舊氣氛 (80年代橫跨90初 vs.90年代中後)
d. 本土新生代明星 (彭于晏、林辰唏 vs. 陳妍希、柯震東)
e. 取材自導演真實人生,有相關系列作品 (紀錄片 vs. 小說)
g. 同性質節目宣傳 (大學生了沒 - 瞄準年輕學生族群
小燕之夜 - 分享人生故事與創作理念的感性訴求。)
......等等。
當然兩者在題材上對各年齡、性別族群的吸引力不盡相同,
但的確有相當一部分的重疊,說沒有影響是不可能的。
(除了我本人在內,身邊也遇過不只一位朋友對這兩片都同時感興趣。)
又有人會說,先看A再看B不就好了?
但同檔期競爭的,不就是消費者有限的時間與荷包嗎?
院線片的"新"本來就是此產品的一大訴求,
再者"阿信"本週末廳數與場次若因為同業競爭減少,
後續消費者選擇的方便性與意願也會降低,對票房當然有影響。
(還有人說,為什麼不說"那些年"是搶"車2"與"星際飆客"票源?
基本上這兩個都是好萊塢娛樂片,一個是主打動畫&親子族群,一個是特效爽片族群,
票房衝擊最大的當然還是語言文化、劇情元素最近似的"阿信"。)
---
再來討論一下 8/12~8/19口碑場做法,
根據九把刀本人於8/7的電影板發文 (#1EFQ5L2E),
顯示其對於發行商這樣的策略是完全知情且認可的,
目的是為了避開兩週後"賽德克巴萊"的強勢壓境。
這樣的作法有下列幾點爭議:
1. 突然宣布提前一周全台上映:
口碑場往往不是單日少數幾場的特映會形式,
就是在正式上映1~2週前的週末排2~4日的放映,
與正式放映有間隔一段時間,且規模也不一定是全台每間戲院,
(此種作法除了醞釀好口碑,有時候是為了和全球上映同步減少盜版殺傷力,)
"那些年"不但辦了七夕特映(這還合情合理),
後來更突然宣布以六十多廳的全面啟動之姿辦口碑場,而且連發到上映前,
每天雖然只有三場,但也都集中在午晚間的好時段。
幾乎可說是偷天換日的"提前上映",
不論是為了吸票房或是拼口碑站穩腳步,
破壞了之前之前喬好的檔期,這樣的作法真符合道義?
(同性質的大片避免兩敗俱傷通常會喬,
人際關係圈密切、片型又近似的本土電影就更不可能不喬了。)
事實結果證明,兩片北市票房勢均力敵,
"那些年"的平均單場票房甚至好上不少,
實質上早就超出"口碑場"的原有意義。
新聞:《那些年》3天撈1287萬 國片口碑場吸金王
http://blog.udn.com/beansprout36/5546429
2. 柿子挑軟的吃
如果是為了躲魏導的"賽"片,又何苦犧牲"阿信"?
"那些年"體質不錯又有書迷基本盤撐腰,同期新片只有"絕命終結站"一個敵手。
"阿信"同期有"星際飆客"、"車2"兩大片,與眾多藝術小片夾殺,
要突圍已經不容易,又來"那些年"落井下石,票房衝擊不在話下。
3. 說好的一起奮鬥呢?
九把刀認不認識"阿信"劇組? 有沒有說好一起奮鬥呢?
以下文字引用自九把刀部落格:
http://www.giddens.tw/blog/post/35301205
"話說其實整場頒獎典禮,我都在跟林育賢導演互傳簡訊,彼此打氣,
後來「翻滾吧!阿信」得獎,我真的很替林導開心。
阿信拍得真的很有誠意,實至名歸,很大慰藉了我這邊沒有得獎的心情。
"巧的是,頒獎典禮後阿信與那些年的慶功宴選擇的店家,竟然是在正對面!
所以囉我們吃吃喝喝結束後,我就帶著柯震東與陳妍希到阿信的場子去喝香檳,
感染一下阿信劇組的喜氣,莫名其妙的連我自己都變得蠻開心的,
我想,這就是電影的魔力吧哈哈哈哈!
拍片的人箇中辛苦與快樂,一下子就把大家的距離拉得好近,
香檳杯亂敲亂喝亂吆喝,完全就是太歡樂了。
真希望八月快點到來,「翻滾吧!阿信」與「那些年,我們一起追的女孩」
就可以再度並肩作戰了。"
上面這段話我想真心的成份不假,但如今看來卻也有點諷刺。
當然商場上只有利益與風險,沒有情義。
只是九把刀不厭其煩親自上網路與讀者互動,
時常把"熱血"、"愛"、"真心"等字眼掛在嘴邊,
無論有意無意,行銷的無非是一種真誠的形象,與單純、理想性的精神。
如今這種突襲式、不顧道義與他人死活的發行策略,
如某知名影評人所言,是否符合其本人所說的"熱血精神",就留給大家公評了。
※ 引述《shryuhuai ()》之銘言:
: 刀迷的邏輯一向很不好
: 所以我來說一說到底口碑場問題到底在哪裡好了
: 本來每部電影都是排好檔期的
: 各個劇組在經過考量後(包括演員本身知名度和同期上檔影片等)
: 決定宣傳行程的時間
: 以及請媒體幫忙發新聞等
: 如果搞不好也只能怪自己笨怨不得人
: 現在那些年等於是提早上映了
: 阿信按照原本檔期排的宣傳行程效果肯定會打折
: 更不要說那些年的宣傳行程完全是按照修改過的檔期排的
: 這不是吃人豆腐是什麼?
: 況且演員很多活動都是一兩個月前就排好的
: 不是要改就可以臨時改的
: 彭于晏18號人在北京
: 你告訴我他要怎麼宣傳?
: 如果阿信早知道要和那些年同時上映
: 那輸了也就罷了
: 你現在臨時改檔期破壞別人的宣傳效果
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