丹麥女孩- 看完讓我超級不舒服 - 電影
By Jacob
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at 2016-02-23T19:09
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※ 引述《mimi0254didi (餅乾)》之銘言:
: 我支持多元成家,可是我看 兩個男的在那接吻 我就是不舒服
: 更何況是 花錢去電影院看大螢幕,要我待兩小時
: 看男男 親吻, 男主角 夾雞雞,holy.....
: 我是個很陽剛的男生,每次看到 莉莉,心理想到它是男的
: 我就起雞皮疙瘩,看到一半就想走了
: 只是閃光還在,就只好勉強看完
: 我是覺得 此片劇情性還好,反正預告就知道 他是第一個變性人了
: 後面怎麼發展也不期不待,所以導演才要灑狗血 在妻子對老公 不離不棄的愛吧
: 所以我給普雷, 我就是不喜歡男男
原本以為又是篇故意討噓的廢文,沒想到原PO用語其實非常溫和,只是碰觸了敏感議題而
被正義魔人追殺,真是哀傷...。
不過我也不得不質疑原PO,你都說「反正預告就知道,他是第一個變性人了」,而你也應
該知道自己不是很喜歡看到兩個生理男性的親密行為,那麼為什麼你還要跑去看這部電影
呢?然後再來PO文抱怨自己看得很不舒服,不是自己找罪受嗎?
此外,就如部分推文所說,你的「不舒服」是你個人的問題,而不是「電影有哪裡拍不好
」,這就像你很膽小,但卻跑去看鬼片,看完了再來抱怨電影很恐怖,讓你覺得很不舒服
所以給予差評,我認為這也不是一個評價電影的正確態度。
說完了對原PO的質疑,接下來則要幫原PO說話了。
--
首先區分一下「反感/偏見/歧視」三者的不同。
偏見,是基於「刻板印象」的先入為主,而歧視,則是基於偏見而給予的差別待遇。
舉例來說,如果你認為「同性戀都很娘」,那就是偏見,因為事實並非如此,而如果你因
為抱有這個偏見,而對同性戀予以嘲笑,那麼我們就會說你的言論是歧視性言論。
但是,原PO並非基於錯誤的「刻板印象」才對男男的親密行為感到反感,並不能被稱為偏
見,當然也不會構成歧視,他們是完全不同的概念。不過這裡又有另一個問題,就是原PO
對男男的親密行為反感的理由,到底是「先天」如此,還是受到「後天」影響。
為什麼這很重要呢?因為這牽扯到第二個問題:「沒有歧視≠沒有問題」
假使原PO其實是因為「後天」的教育,導致他對男男的親密行為感到反感,那麼他公開表
達自己對男男親密行為的反感,則可能造成更多人對男男親密行為感到反感,進而形成一
個負向迴圈,甚至可能對某些族群產生實質侵害。
因此即便就定義來說,這不算是歧視,但卻會有相同的後果,因此也應該被譴責。
不過,我們並不知道原PO的反感究竟是來自「先天」還是「後天」。
這也是我要幫原PO說話的理由:如果原PO真的是「先天」地對男男親密行為反感呢?
有推文說,原PO應該要「嘗試把人的內在心靈看得比外在生理重要」或是「原PO不應該公
開表達自己不舒服以免傷害到少數族群」。
然而這兩個說法都是有問題的,先說第一種,如果「外在生理」不重要,那我們根本也不
用保障性別弱勢者,反正外在不重要嘛,他們可以看對方的內在就好啦!
這種說法有多不合理,應該是誰都可以輕易看出來。
第二種說法的問題是,我們難以正確認識「多數/少數」的區分。你說異性戀是多數,同
性戀是少數,所以原PO不應該表達他的不舒服,否則會對同性戀造成傷害,可是為什麼原
PO是屬於異性戀的這個多數呢?從噓文數量看來,原PO這種「因為生理而男男親密行為感
到反感」的人,才是少數吧?也許用性向來分類,他屬於「異性戀」這個多數的族群,可
是為什麼應該這樣分類呢?
舉個例子來說,很多人常常說父權壓迫女性,可是這就代表一個人只要是男性,他就是強
勢的人嗎?不一定嘛,前者只是個統稱,後者則是個案,如果只因為某個人是男性或者是
異性戀,就說他是多數、是強勢,他的權益必須被限縮,這也只是去脈絡化的刻板印象罷
了。
--
不過說了這麼多,我也沒有要說原PO這樣沒錯,因為他的言論必然會帶來爭吵。
而我覺得,真正的解決方法其實很簡單:用正面的言論取代付面的言論。
原PO不喜歡男男的親密行為,沒問題,可是他不用說:
「我覺得兩個男的夾雞雞讓我很不舒服。」
他可以說:
「我還是比較喜歡看有帥哥和美女的電影~」
就像有人跟你告白,你不喜歡他,你不用說:
「不好意思,我討厭你所以不想和你在一起。」
你可以說:
「不好意思,可是我更喜歡OOO」
--
: 我支持多元成家,可是我看 兩個男的在那接吻 我就是不舒服
: 更何況是 花錢去電影院看大螢幕,要我待兩小時
: 看男男 親吻, 男主角 夾雞雞,holy.....
: 我是個很陽剛的男生,每次看到 莉莉,心理想到它是男的
: 我就起雞皮疙瘩,看到一半就想走了
: 只是閃光還在,就只好勉強看完
: 我是覺得 此片劇情性還好,反正預告就知道 他是第一個變性人了
: 後面怎麼發展也不期不待,所以導演才要灑狗血 在妻子對老公 不離不棄的愛吧
: 所以我給普雷, 我就是不喜歡男男
原本以為又是篇故意討噓的廢文,沒想到原PO用語其實非常溫和,只是碰觸了敏感議題而
被正義魔人追殺,真是哀傷...。
不過我也不得不質疑原PO,你都說「反正預告就知道,他是第一個變性人了」,而你也應
該知道自己不是很喜歡看到兩個生理男性的親密行為,那麼為什麼你還要跑去看這部電影
呢?然後再來PO文抱怨自己看得很不舒服,不是自己找罪受嗎?
此外,就如部分推文所說,你的「不舒服」是你個人的問題,而不是「電影有哪裡拍不好
」,這就像你很膽小,但卻跑去看鬼片,看完了再來抱怨電影很恐怖,讓你覺得很不舒服
所以給予差評,我認為這也不是一個評價電影的正確態度。
說完了對原PO的質疑,接下來則要幫原PO說話了。
--
首先區分一下「反感/偏見/歧視」三者的不同。
偏見,是基於「刻板印象」的先入為主,而歧視,則是基於偏見而給予的差別待遇。
舉例來說,如果你認為「同性戀都很娘」,那就是偏見,因為事實並非如此,而如果你因
為抱有這個偏見,而對同性戀予以嘲笑,那麼我們就會說你的言論是歧視性言論。
但是,原PO並非基於錯誤的「刻板印象」才對男男的親密行為感到反感,並不能被稱為偏
見,當然也不會構成歧視,他們是完全不同的概念。不過這裡又有另一個問題,就是原PO
對男男的親密行為反感的理由,到底是「先天」如此,還是受到「後天」影響。
為什麼這很重要呢?因為這牽扯到第二個問題:「沒有歧視≠沒有問題」
假使原PO其實是因為「後天」的教育,導致他對男男的親密行為感到反感,那麼他公開表
達自己對男男親密行為的反感,則可能造成更多人對男男親密行為感到反感,進而形成一
個負向迴圈,甚至可能對某些族群產生實質侵害。
因此即便就定義來說,這不算是歧視,但卻會有相同的後果,因此也應該被譴責。
不過,我們並不知道原PO的反感究竟是來自「先天」還是「後天」。
這也是我要幫原PO說話的理由:如果原PO真的是「先天」地對男男親密行為反感呢?
有推文說,原PO應該要「嘗試把人的內在心靈看得比外在生理重要」或是「原PO不應該公
開表達自己不舒服以免傷害到少數族群」。
然而這兩個說法都是有問題的,先說第一種,如果「外在生理」不重要,那我們根本也不
用保障性別弱勢者,反正外在不重要嘛,他們可以看對方的內在就好啦!
這種說法有多不合理,應該是誰都可以輕易看出來。
第二種說法的問題是,我們難以正確認識「多數/少數」的區分。你說異性戀是多數,同
性戀是少數,所以原PO不應該表達他的不舒服,否則會對同性戀造成傷害,可是為什麼原
PO是屬於異性戀的這個多數呢?從噓文數量看來,原PO這種「因為生理而男男親密行為感
到反感」的人,才是少數吧?也許用性向來分類,他屬於「異性戀」這個多數的族群,可
是為什麼應該這樣分類呢?
舉個例子來說,很多人常常說父權壓迫女性,可是這就代表一個人只要是男性,他就是強
勢的人嗎?不一定嘛,前者只是個統稱,後者則是個案,如果只因為某個人是男性或者是
異性戀,就說他是多數、是強勢,他的權益必須被限縮,這也只是去脈絡化的刻板印象罷
了。
--
不過說了這麼多,我也沒有要說原PO這樣沒錯,因為他的言論必然會帶來爭吵。
而我覺得,真正的解決方法其實很簡單:用正面的言論取代付面的言論。
原PO不喜歡男男的親密行為,沒問題,可是他不用說:
「我覺得兩個男的夾雞雞讓我很不舒服。」
他可以說:
「我還是比較喜歡看有帥哥和美女的電影~」
就像有人跟你告白,你不喜歡他,你不用說:
「不好意思,我討厭你所以不想和你在一起。」
你可以說:
「不好意思,可是我更喜歡OOO」
--
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