目前金光還缺什麼東西? - 布袋戲

By Rae
at 2016-10-18T00:08
at 2016-10-18T00:08
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※ 引述《purue (purue)》之銘言:
: 其實目前金光東瀛線算是中規中矩 海境線雖然悶了點 但是我覺得劇情嘈點也不多
: 如果當前幾集邪皇是上一檔 那麼現在算是鋪梗期 其實劇情表現也不算太差
: 但是看很多篇推文似乎不滿意的聲音很大 看水量退坑的人應該也不少
: 那麼現在的金光缺的元素有哪些? 足以讓老戲迷回坑? 比如哪一檔呢?
有些議題其實不容易解決,你的劇設定是怎麼樣,就註定有他的限制。
就說東籬吧,20 x 13 分鐘的劇本結果就是劇情只有主線,緊湊到很多東西都沒說明
對沒看過的人很可能搞不清楚說明,而且武戲非常簡短。 但也有他的好處,就是故事
的起承轉合非常的明確。
金光或是霹靂這種非常長線的劇本,問題就在後者很難操作。
因為你要顧忌未來的劇情,就讓現在的劇情要收尾時必須兼顧下一個劇情的開始,才不
會造成後面很多集反差太離譜 (東皇這問題非常明顯,收沒收好起也沒起好。)
錢是問題,但也不是真的主要問題,其實人物不收我覺得倒不是擔心錢,是現實上劇本
控制的問題。
霹靂的核心問題就在因為人死很大,所以很多腳色一檔後相關人事物都死得差不多也
因此功能性全失也只好賜死或是當打手或神隱了。
霹靂這種玩法,應該限制就要在一次一檔就獨立,前後沒關聯性,所以最後剩下一些
沒死光的也就可以故事結尾,才不會被笑無限佛門聖地,腰斬等等。
要知道布袋戲節奏已經快,要人死的多一點後續劇情其實很難接。 因為要建立一個腳
色難,要死卻只要一瞬。
另外就是時間感的問題,金光從黑白寫到現在在劇中的時間大約過3-4年而已(甚至不到)
由於金光實際上是有在顧時間軸的問題(至少年齡來說,沒有到處百歲仙人或是小孩一
檔後變大人等) 請問要是人真的死多了那後面要怎麼處裡?
我們就用墨邪錄最後一戰來說吧,誰可以死?
Spa? 好吧理論上可以但黃大師還在應該不可能收。而且他死了俏如來還能離開中原嗎?
藏爸? 理論上可以但你就相當程度廢了三傑線,也會牽扯到Spa / 無心線等。
狼主? : 同上
蒼狼? : 蒼狼死那接下來一定又得演苗疆動亂線,難道有人要看?
青椒? : 好吧這算是大家認為插旗很大的,但同樣問題在青椒現在就死恐怕接下來劇情
又要圍繞在苗疆。
小明? : 他死一定被罵腰斬,而且劇情上也不合理
阿飄? : 好吧阿飄可以死,但死了有人會覺得 "恩,金光還是會收人的" 嗎?XD
風逍遙 : 或許吧,但一來後面道境線估計還是要用到,二來效果大概只比阿飄好一點
而且讓阿飄/ 風逍遙之類的死也會陷入一個霹靂常碰到的情況就是組織死到只剩下老
大,讓整個組織感蕩然無存。
銀燕/俏? : 主角只有在整個劇本結束的時候可以死,這就是無限劇的問題。
如果設定打完邪皇之後就立刻"The End" 那我認為應該要死Spa / 阿飄 / 狼主 / 青椒
銀燕 。 這樣死夠大了,夠完美的結局了,可是問題就是這不是最後結局,考慮到後面
問題你真這樣收後面會非常難寫。 而真的The End 等金光一年後寫好新劇本重開始你會
比較高興嗎?
其實真的可以死的重要角只有一個,他也死了,那就是玄狐,但這裡劇情的控制不佳
讓"玄狐體驗世情達到劍的頂峰後毅然犧牲拯救人世" 這個壯烈感營造的不夠成功。
讓很多人死,就必須要很多新人補上,新人的個性要塑造往往需要時間,海境線不就是
很好的例子? 一堆新角,不可能全部都快速塑造出個性,結果一堆人罵,又一堆人同時
罵其他人死太慢,這魚與熊掌往往不能兼得的。
真要比的話,我是覺得金光(其他也都是) 等布袋戲反而還是小角色太隨便,冰與火之歌
之類的有個好處是那些人是重要腳色那些人不是其實不一定容易判斷,而且即使是小腳色
往往短時間內的劇情震撼力也夠, 但布袋戲其實太多村民角/士兵角 等等為了省經費或
是為了凸顯要角的傳統而太過粗糙其實是自己放棄了很多機會。 也間接讓我們對小兵/村
民死很大的情況大家直接無視。
例如說吧,劍影魔蹤的中原群俠,這被大家笑很大因為幾乎是六七個偶死了又出來甚至
還CG 分身術來撐出"中原群俠" 但這部分如果真能每個都不大一樣,都有點可信度說這
中間說不定有要角,讓他們跟"重要角色" 之間差距沒那麼明顯的時候,那不論是幾個大
戰甚至換檔時他們幾乎死光這種情況會對於整體的感覺差很多。 在這檔金光基本上用
郭箏一個角來稱這個腳色,但他一死就沒了,而且郭箏都已經跟下面其他人有明顯差
距了。 其實郭箏一直到最後一段才真的有點立體化的描述,但連這種程度都只有他跟
笑不老。 我是覺得一個很重要的點就該在把小兵/村民角等跟 春桃/郭箏/小七 之類的
腳色的距離拉近,金光這點其實已經比霹靂好很多,但時間久了還是覺得不夠。
當然這錢相對有點問題,但我不認為妖道角升級一點點對於經費真的有多大的傷害。
--
我的水管頻道,幫布袋戲 (金光為主) 高光片段翻譯英文字幕
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaV4Wpp7c2kT_l-sA1IkQIQ
--
: 其實目前金光東瀛線算是中規中矩 海境線雖然悶了點 但是我覺得劇情嘈點也不多
: 如果當前幾集邪皇是上一檔 那麼現在算是鋪梗期 其實劇情表現也不算太差
: 但是看很多篇推文似乎不滿意的聲音很大 看水量退坑的人應該也不少
: 那麼現在的金光缺的元素有哪些? 足以讓老戲迷回坑? 比如哪一檔呢?
有些議題其實不容易解決,你的劇設定是怎麼樣,就註定有他的限制。
就說東籬吧,20 x 13 分鐘的劇本結果就是劇情只有主線,緊湊到很多東西都沒說明
對沒看過的人很可能搞不清楚說明,而且武戲非常簡短。 但也有他的好處,就是故事
的起承轉合非常的明確。
金光或是霹靂這種非常長線的劇本,問題就在後者很難操作。
因為你要顧忌未來的劇情,就讓現在的劇情要收尾時必須兼顧下一個劇情的開始,才不
會造成後面很多集反差太離譜 (東皇這問題非常明顯,收沒收好起也沒起好。)
錢是問題,但也不是真的主要問題,其實人物不收我覺得倒不是擔心錢,是現實上劇本
控制的問題。
霹靂的核心問題就在因為人死很大,所以很多腳色一檔後相關人事物都死得差不多也
因此功能性全失也只好賜死或是當打手或神隱了。
霹靂這種玩法,應該限制就要在一次一檔就獨立,前後沒關聯性,所以最後剩下一些
沒死光的也就可以故事結尾,才不會被笑無限佛門聖地,腰斬等等。
要知道布袋戲節奏已經快,要人死的多一點後續劇情其實很難接。 因為要建立一個腳
色難,要死卻只要一瞬。
另外就是時間感的問題,金光從黑白寫到現在在劇中的時間大約過3-4年而已(甚至不到)
由於金光實際上是有在顧時間軸的問題(至少年齡來說,沒有到處百歲仙人或是小孩一
檔後變大人等) 請問要是人真的死多了那後面要怎麼處裡?
我們就用墨邪錄最後一戰來說吧,誰可以死?
Spa? 好吧理論上可以但黃大師還在應該不可能收。而且他死了俏如來還能離開中原嗎?
藏爸? 理論上可以但你就相當程度廢了三傑線,也會牽扯到Spa / 無心線等。
狼主? : 同上
蒼狼? : 蒼狼死那接下來一定又得演苗疆動亂線,難道有人要看?
青椒? : 好吧這算是大家認為插旗很大的,但同樣問題在青椒現在就死恐怕接下來劇情
又要圍繞在苗疆。
小明? : 他死一定被罵腰斬,而且劇情上也不合理
阿飄? : 好吧阿飄可以死,但死了有人會覺得 "恩,金光還是會收人的" 嗎?XD
風逍遙 : 或許吧,但一來後面道境線估計還是要用到,二來效果大概只比阿飄好一點
而且讓阿飄/ 風逍遙之類的死也會陷入一個霹靂常碰到的情況就是組織死到只剩下老
大,讓整個組織感蕩然無存。
銀燕/俏? : 主角只有在整個劇本結束的時候可以死,這就是無限劇的問題。
如果設定打完邪皇之後就立刻"The End" 那我認為應該要死Spa / 阿飄 / 狼主 / 青椒
銀燕 。 這樣死夠大了,夠完美的結局了,可是問題就是這不是最後結局,考慮到後面
問題你真這樣收後面會非常難寫。 而真的The End 等金光一年後寫好新劇本重開始你會
比較高興嗎?
其實真的可以死的重要角只有一個,他也死了,那就是玄狐,但這裡劇情的控制不佳
讓"玄狐體驗世情達到劍的頂峰後毅然犧牲拯救人世" 這個壯烈感營造的不夠成功。
讓很多人死,就必須要很多新人補上,新人的個性要塑造往往需要時間,海境線不就是
很好的例子? 一堆新角,不可能全部都快速塑造出個性,結果一堆人罵,又一堆人同時
罵其他人死太慢,這魚與熊掌往往不能兼得的。
真要比的話,我是覺得金光(其他也都是) 等布袋戲反而還是小角色太隨便,冰與火之歌
之類的有個好處是那些人是重要腳色那些人不是其實不一定容易判斷,而且即使是小腳色
往往短時間內的劇情震撼力也夠, 但布袋戲其實太多村民角/士兵角 等等為了省經費或
是為了凸顯要角的傳統而太過粗糙其實是自己放棄了很多機會。 也間接讓我們對小兵/村
民死很大的情況大家直接無視。
例如說吧,劍影魔蹤的中原群俠,這被大家笑很大因為幾乎是六七個偶死了又出來甚至
還CG 分身術來撐出"中原群俠" 但這部分如果真能每個都不大一樣,都有點可信度說這
中間說不定有要角,讓他們跟"重要角色" 之間差距沒那麼明顯的時候,那不論是幾個大
戰甚至換檔時他們幾乎死光這種情況會對於整體的感覺差很多。 在這檔金光基本上用
郭箏一個角來稱這個腳色,但他一死就沒了,而且郭箏都已經跟下面其他人有明顯差
距了。 其實郭箏一直到最後一段才真的有點立體化的描述,但連這種程度都只有他跟
笑不老。 我是覺得一個很重要的點就該在把小兵/村民角等跟 春桃/郭箏/小七 之類的
腳色的距離拉近,金光這點其實已經比霹靂好很多,但時間久了還是覺得不夠。
當然這錢相對有點問題,但我不認為妖道角升級一點點對於經費真的有多大的傷害。
--
我的水管頻道,幫布袋戲 (金光為主) 高光片段翻譯英文字幕
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaV4Wpp7c2kT_l-sA1IkQIQ
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