變型金剛製片 - 電影
By Tristan Cohan
at 2008-05-29T18:50
at 2008-05-29T18:50
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#18FOtLZx那篇
Q大跟f大的推文實在很精彩
只是交叉之下看得有點辛苦
雞婆幫整理一下推文:)
→ Quiff:哈哈對呀,蘇照彬就說過哥倫比亞出資的詭絲劇本改過上百次 05/29 02:03
感謝兩位的分享:)
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Q大跟f大的推文實在很精彩
只是交叉之下看得有點辛苦
雞婆幫整理一下推文:)
推 Quiff:通常是攝影指導、導演、場景設計師等一同商量。導演的涉入程05/29 01:41
→ Quiff:度依其個人工作習慣不一而定,有些導演比較要去指導演員,讓05/29 01:41
→ Quiff:技術細節交由攝影指導自行去控管,自己則以掌握大方向為原則05/29 01:42
→ Quiff:有些導演對攝影技術比較有概念的就會涉入比較多,但有時反而05/29 01:43
→ Quiff:造成反效果,讓攝影指導感覺處處受限制,要看合作情況。像史05/29 01:43
→ Quiff:蒂芬索德柏這種就是常常會自己身兼導演跟攝影指導甚至剪接等05/29 01:44
→ Quiff:基本上在龐大製作體系下,導演比較算是管理職,融合底下各部05/29 01:45
→ Quiff:門的創意及意見後,作出最後的定奪,不太可能事必躬親。而好05/29 01:45
→ Quiff:萊塢體系基本上都是製片制,亦即製片才是老闆,底下所有人都05/29 01:46
→ Quiff:他雇來的,隨時可以fire,而每一個計畫都是由製片負責找齊人05/29 01:46
→ Quiff:(亦即員工),然後找金主(就是負責出資跟發行的片商)。05/29 01:47
→ Quiff:還有在美國因為公會規定限制,攝影指導是不能自己操作攝影機05/29 01:48
→ Quiff:所以,攝影指導跟實際的camera operator會是分開的兩個人。05/29 01:49
→ Quiff:攝影指導要管理攝影組、燈光組、電工等等。推文好像太長了..05/29 01:50
→ Quiff:突然想到要補充..導演本身有沒有剪接權要看簽訂合約上的條款 05/29 01:52
→ Quiff:所以常常會聽到某某導演拍完片後憤而不幹,就是因為片商涉入 05/29 01:52
→ Quiff:後製階段太多一直囉哩叭唆的,然後雙方談判破裂就撕破臉。 05/29 01:53
→ Quiff:或是常常有什麼片子出導演版DVD,就是因為原先上片時的剪接 05/29 01:54
→ Quiff:版本不是導演想要的。這種例子非常多,像Terry Gilliam就被 05/29 01:55
→ Quiff:片商公認為難搞的導演,常常預算超支或難以協調,之後片商們 05/29 01:56
→ Quiff:就會每次有新計畫便比較不想找這類導演來拍片。 05/29 01:57
推 frafoa:攝影指導是一般觀眾滿容易誤解的部分。 05/29 01:54
→ frafoa:從膠捲、打光、鏡頭、光圈、影片曝光,甚至堪景和 05/29 01:56
→ frafoa:set design,最後的決定權時常是在DP身上。 05/29 01:57
→ frafoa:ahahah sorry 斬了quiff的推文。 05/29 01:57
→ frafoa:但是即使連專業影評在討論電影時也往往忽略這樣的分工機制 05/29 01:59
→ frafoa:認定所有所有的構圖運鏡都是導演的安排。 05/29 01:59
→ Quiff:對,正如frafro所言,影響最大的可能是set design部分,因為 05/29 01:58
→ Quiff:佈景跟服裝的材質及色調會影響到打光或反光、亮度等等問題 05/29 01:59
→ Quiff:所以服裝跟場景設計師都需要事先與導演跟攝影指導開會協調 05/29 01:59
→ Quiff:因為寫影評除非很熟悉內部分工方式,不然很難去判斷一個出色 05/29 02:00
→ Quiff:的決定究竟是出自導演、攝指或甚至大牌演員的要求。 05/29 02:00
→ frafoa:至於劇本的部分。完全宅的編劇基本上在好萊塢很難存在, 05/29 02:01
→ frafoa:一個劇本至少修過七次。期間是無盡的會議無盡的討論。 05/29 02:01
→ frafoa:有些即使在拍攝腳本出來後,還是要帶著筆電隨時待命。 05/29 02:02
→ frafoa:就連編劇也是個分工細緻的產業。有人是對白專家,有人是動 05/29 02:03
→ frafoa:作場面專家。這些人往往不會出現在IMDB的CREDITS上。因為 05/29 02:04
→ frafoa:1. 工會不符合掛名權限制。 2. 電影成品很ㄎㄎ編劇不想沾邊 05/29 02:04
→ frafoa:劇本醫生是好萊塢最高薪的編劇群,但劇本到他們手中往往 05/29 02:05
→ frafoa:已經沒有創作方面的input了,只是來摩一些劇本的砂石,或著 05/29 02:05
→ frafoa:請心安的。但是這些砂石有時正是一個劇本最有生命力的地方 05/29 02:06
→ frafoa:像Entourage中演的,被請來當醫生的 Stephen Gaghan 一個 05/29 02:07
→ frafoa:字沒動,卻抱著比原劇本作者更大張的支票回家也常常發生。 05/29 02:08
→ Quiff:哈哈對呀,蘇照彬就說過哥倫比亞出資的詭絲劇本改過上百次 05/29 02:03
→ Quiff:改到他自己都忘記原來劇本長什麼樣了。好萊塢體系中有種叫做 05/29 02:03
→ Quiff:script doctor的工作,是專門找進來臨時負責改寫的編劇,他 05/29 02:04
→ Quiff:們可能只負責應導演或片商的要求來專門改寫一段對話或場景 05/29 02:04
→ Quiff:然後script doctor基本上是不掛名的,而且是爽歪歪領週薪 05/29 02:05
→ Quiff:工作又輕鬆自在 不用一直被叫回去開會。不少得奧斯卡最佳劇 05/29 02:06
→ Quiff:本的電影,拍出來其實已經完全跟當初劇本沒什麼關係了。 05/29 02:06
→ Quiff:像阿特曼的MASH外科醫生就是,也有得奧斯卡。 05/29 02:07
→ Quiff:呵所以有些大牌編劇寧願去當Script Doctor,錢多事少離家近 05/29 02:09
推 Quiff:一、兩年前我讀過一篇Total Film專門作script doctor的文章 05/29 02:11
→ Quiff:可精彩的勒。 05/29 02:12
推 frafoa:比較有名的治療,類似像 Aaron Sorkin 修過《絕地任務》 05/29 02:10
→ frafoa:這種事情基本上都是不公開的。誰醫過誰是編劇業界的秘密呀 05/29 02:11
→ frafoa:哥倫比亞出資應該是雙瞳哩。八大片廠光是請給note的編劇顧 05/29 02:13
→ frafoa:問的花費就是天文數字了。 05/29 02:14
→ Quiff:to frafoa: 應該是我記錯了拍謝。樓上,聊開了抱歉呀。 05/29 02:16
推 Quiff:好想繼續聊,這基本上都要看導演。像史密斯任務、Jumper導演 05/29 02:23
→ Quiff:Doug Liman就是非常隨性的拍法,他會自己跟主角兩個人突然就 05/29 02:23
→ Quiff:搭上飛機就跑去日本鬧區或某個海邊,連攝影師跟化妝師都沒有 05/29 02:24
→ Quiff:也不申請攝影許可,就自己當攝影師拍拍衝浪或閒逛的畫面 05/29 02:25
→ Quiff:這種鏡頭通常是交給補畫面的second unit director去幹的。 05/29 02:25
→ Quiff:前幾個月紐約時報也有篇訪問講Nolan是如何用獨立製片的工作 05/29 02:26
→ Quiff:方式來拍Dark Knight,雖然它是個超級鉅資商業大片。 05/29 02:27
→ Quiff:Tom Tykwer在拍完天堂奔馳後對好萊塢體制超級不滿,就憤而用 05/29 02:28
→ Quiff:游擊隊的方式且戰且走在巴黎拍完娜塔莉波曼主演的巴黎我愛你 05/29 02:29
→ Quiff:變成對Tom Tykwer來說是一種心理治療,哈哈。 05/29 02:29
感謝兩位的分享:)
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