這一夜,我跟玄之玄站在同一邊 (第7集雷) - 布袋戲
By Noah
at 2014-10-16T14:31
at 2014-10-16T14:31
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※ 引述《kyo3tree (evan)》之銘言:
: 我是非常贊成有仇報仇這種事 非常討厭那種勸人放下之類的
: 復仇只會造成無限的空虛? 要我放下?
: 但我不報仇我睡不著吃不下飯 天天惦記著死去的親人 我怎麼活?
: 但就理這面玄之玄這邊就錯了
: 首先他們要報仇也就是私仇 完全用錯方法 一堆人看到魔兵就殺
: 請問這個被你殺的是你的仇人嗎? 他只是軍人 軍人就該死嗎
: 完全沒規律 亂殺一氣
: 那之前中苗大戰那些殺死苗兵的要不要去苗疆讓人殺一殺
: 你組織裡搞不好混著一堆以殺人為樂的殺紅了眼的 亂殺一通毫無規律
: 你要報仇就先抓起來集中審判
: 看是哪個殺了你爹你兒子的 看要千刀萬剮
: 還是五馬分屍 你殺個傳令兵還是伙夫甚麼的 他或許還沒拿過刀子呢
: 你把仇恨發洩在他身上 是不是過個幾十年那魔兵的小孩又要來報仇
: 私仇私了 仇是一定要報的 但亂殺一通就說不過去了
如果真要堅持有仇報仇,且要讓中原俠士覺得滿足。
那請讓我舉個例子,
假設今天有一位魔兵是曾經殺了現在尚同會某兩位不同家庭的俠士A.B家人,
現在要對這位魔兵進行處刑,
1.俠士A先捅魔兵直到A心中已無怨恨,但不能桶死。再讓俠士B桶死(反之也行)。
2.俠士A桶死魔兵,俠士B將屍體砍到B覺得心中已無怨恨(反之也行)。
3.俠士A B同時往兩個致命部位攻擊。
人性太複雜,當中要考慮的情緒難以詳述,所以我不在此處給予任何選項,
不過要大家再往下想,如果俠士A B有任一人對只殺此魔兵不覺滿足,
希望抓出該魔兵的親友,而該親友魔兵又牽涉兩三家的仇恨,該以誰的仇為主?
情況可能會像滾雪球一樣越滾越大,從個人仇恨演變成種族屠殺。
假設善良與仇恨可量化
99%善 願意原諒魔兵,希望他們能在這樣的事件中找到贖罪的方法
10%恨+90%善 可能只希望魔兵受到懲處就好
50%恨+50%善 可能只希望一命還一命就好
90%恨+10%善 可能只希望殺光該魔兵親朋好友就好
99%恨 可能只希望該族滅亡就好
是的,我每一句都用了"只"。
如果您有"滅族竟然用止不過如此"的想法,那我很高興您並非心中只存有仇恨
如果要讓心中滿是仇恨的人只針對有仇的魔兵復仇,請問憑甚麼?
一開始就因為覺得菩提尊的慈悲太殘忍而同意復仇的想法,此刻又該怎麼想?
仇恨還沒結束,中止到一半的復仇不是也很殘忍嗎?
仇恨真的只會造成更多仇恨,因為每個人心中滿足的的程度不同,
你覺得這樣就好,有人覺得不夠,不夠的人還會反過來指責為什麼要視親人仇恨不顧。
另外在法治社會下的,是針對該罪給予相對應的懲處,
所做出的判決通常不會得到受害者家屬的滿足,
"為什麼判這麼輕" "罪大惡極的人竟然沒判死" "法官到底在判什麼鬼"的想法時有所聞
並不是法治社會,人們的仇恨就會受到約束,被約束的只是我們的行為
那這些約束我們行為的法律,不殘酷嗎?
雖然看到社會上的許多兇殺案件,心裡也會存有判決過輕的想法,
但報仇真的無法解決任何問題,仇家死了,心裡得到的真的是開心的感覺嗎?
要對方償命很簡單,只要等對方服完刑出來以埋伏誘殺的方式私了
沒走出來,仇家永遠存在。
金光或許只是個戲劇,但不代表不能作為現實社會的參考,
最後我想說
誰也沒資格要受害者放下,畢竟我們並非當事人,
但唯有只有自己想通(不論加害或被害者),這段仇恨才會結束。
=======================以上感言===========================
=====================以下劇情討論=========================
玄之玄在這段劇情裡面看似正義凜然,
但玄之玄真的是為了讓尚同會的俠士報仇而與菩提尊對上嗎?
九算最終目的是要讓墨學成為顯學,看看已經成功的苗疆與鱗族,
目前只有中原尚未推動墨學。
玄之玄之所以要與菩提尊對上,我想是為了要儘快在尚同會中建立不可動搖的威信
欲星移跟忘今焉一為師相一為國師,自然有其令人信服的地方
而且決定實施者是信任他們的鱗王與苗王。
但玄之玄只是個受到背書的盟主,再加上默蒼離的所作所為,
如果現在說要實施墨學必定不可能成功,所以玄之玄不斷主動出擊,
殺魔兵是為讓中原人情緒轉移,殺黑瞳成員也是,更可湮滅黑瞳之首的證據。
其目的都是要讓中原人儘快可以認同他這位盟主,好實施最終計畫。
最後阻止武斂君的一擊也不是受到感動,只是為了避免正面與天門衝突
天門是封印魔世的最大功臣,一旦兩個正派的內戰,
不論成功失敗對墨學的推廣並沒有幫助,更有可能會對他的威信造成影響
再論他與菩提尊的對談內容,只擷取菩提尊的作法就作出"魔兵免死"的結論
這種企圖煽動他人的言詞實在令人可恥。
目前尚同會唯一有用腦袋在想的人只有東方秋雨
不論是遇上錦煙霞、玄狐或是這次事件中,
他都可以不受眾人情緒的影響而作出比較正確的判斷
不然早在前兩次事件,他身邊的俠士可能就要全部覆滅
不過像這樣的人應該在後續發展中八成會因為發現什麼而被玄之玄處理掉吧XD
--
三個國家的三隻老鼠都說自己國家的酒兇,
俄國老鼠喝了伏特加.五步醉倒,
法國老鼠喝雸白蘭地,十步醉倒,
中國老鼠灌了一瓶金門高梁後,挽起袖子喊道:[他媽的貓呢?]
--
: 我是非常贊成有仇報仇這種事 非常討厭那種勸人放下之類的
: 復仇只會造成無限的空虛? 要我放下?
: 但我不報仇我睡不著吃不下飯 天天惦記著死去的親人 我怎麼活?
: 但就理這面玄之玄這邊就錯了
: 首先他們要報仇也就是私仇 完全用錯方法 一堆人看到魔兵就殺
: 請問這個被你殺的是你的仇人嗎? 他只是軍人 軍人就該死嗎
: 完全沒規律 亂殺一氣
: 那之前中苗大戰那些殺死苗兵的要不要去苗疆讓人殺一殺
: 你組織裡搞不好混著一堆以殺人為樂的殺紅了眼的 亂殺一通毫無規律
: 你要報仇就先抓起來集中審判
: 看是哪個殺了你爹你兒子的 看要千刀萬剮
: 還是五馬分屍 你殺個傳令兵還是伙夫甚麼的 他或許還沒拿過刀子呢
: 你把仇恨發洩在他身上 是不是過個幾十年那魔兵的小孩又要來報仇
: 私仇私了 仇是一定要報的 但亂殺一通就說不過去了
如果真要堅持有仇報仇,且要讓中原俠士覺得滿足。
那請讓我舉個例子,
假設今天有一位魔兵是曾經殺了現在尚同會某兩位不同家庭的俠士A.B家人,
現在要對這位魔兵進行處刑,
1.俠士A先捅魔兵直到A心中已無怨恨,但不能桶死。再讓俠士B桶死(反之也行)。
2.俠士A桶死魔兵,俠士B將屍體砍到B覺得心中已無怨恨(反之也行)。
3.俠士A B同時往兩個致命部位攻擊。
人性太複雜,當中要考慮的情緒難以詳述,所以我不在此處給予任何選項,
不過要大家再往下想,如果俠士A B有任一人對只殺此魔兵不覺滿足,
希望抓出該魔兵的親友,而該親友魔兵又牽涉兩三家的仇恨,該以誰的仇為主?
情況可能會像滾雪球一樣越滾越大,從個人仇恨演變成種族屠殺。
假設善良與仇恨可量化
99%善 願意原諒魔兵,希望他們能在這樣的事件中找到贖罪的方法
10%恨+90%善 可能只希望魔兵受到懲處就好
50%恨+50%善 可能只希望一命還一命就好
90%恨+10%善 可能只希望殺光該魔兵親朋好友就好
99%恨 可能只希望該族滅亡就好
是的,我每一句都用了"只"。
如果您有"滅族竟然用止不過如此"的想法,那我很高興您並非心中只存有仇恨
如果要讓心中滿是仇恨的人只針對有仇的魔兵復仇,請問憑甚麼?
一開始就因為覺得菩提尊的慈悲太殘忍而同意復仇的想法,此刻又該怎麼想?
仇恨還沒結束,中止到一半的復仇不是也很殘忍嗎?
仇恨真的只會造成更多仇恨,因為每個人心中滿足的的程度不同,
你覺得這樣就好,有人覺得不夠,不夠的人還會反過來指責為什麼要視親人仇恨不顧。
另外在法治社會下的,是針對該罪給予相對應的懲處,
所做出的判決通常不會得到受害者家屬的滿足,
"為什麼判這麼輕" "罪大惡極的人竟然沒判死" "法官到底在判什麼鬼"的想法時有所聞
並不是法治社會,人們的仇恨就會受到約束,被約束的只是我們的行為
那這些約束我們行為的法律,不殘酷嗎?
雖然看到社會上的許多兇殺案件,心裡也會存有判決過輕的想法,
但報仇真的無法解決任何問題,仇家死了,心裡得到的真的是開心的感覺嗎?
要對方償命很簡單,只要等對方服完刑出來以埋伏誘殺的方式私了
沒走出來,仇家永遠存在。
金光或許只是個戲劇,但不代表不能作為現實社會的參考,
最後我想說
誰也沒資格要受害者放下,畢竟我們並非當事人,
但唯有只有自己想通(不論加害或被害者),這段仇恨才會結束。
=======================以上感言===========================
=====================以下劇情討論=========================
玄之玄在這段劇情裡面看似正義凜然,
但玄之玄真的是為了讓尚同會的俠士報仇而與菩提尊對上嗎?
九算最終目的是要讓墨學成為顯學,看看已經成功的苗疆與鱗族,
目前只有中原尚未推動墨學。
玄之玄之所以要與菩提尊對上,我想是為了要儘快在尚同會中建立不可動搖的威信
欲星移跟忘今焉一為師相一為國師,自然有其令人信服的地方
而且決定實施者是信任他們的鱗王與苗王。
但玄之玄只是個受到背書的盟主,再加上默蒼離的所作所為,
如果現在說要實施墨學必定不可能成功,所以玄之玄不斷主動出擊,
殺魔兵是為讓中原人情緒轉移,殺黑瞳成員也是,更可湮滅黑瞳之首的證據。
其目的都是要讓中原人儘快可以認同他這位盟主,好實施最終計畫。
最後阻止武斂君的一擊也不是受到感動,只是為了避免正面與天門衝突
天門是封印魔世的最大功臣,一旦兩個正派的內戰,
不論成功失敗對墨學的推廣並沒有幫助,更有可能會對他的威信造成影響
再論他與菩提尊的對談內容,只擷取菩提尊的作法就作出"魔兵免死"的結論
這種企圖煽動他人的言詞實在令人可恥。
目前尚同會唯一有用腦袋在想的人只有東方秋雨
不論是遇上錦煙霞、玄狐或是這次事件中,
他都可以不受眾人情緒的影響而作出比較正確的判斷
不然早在前兩次事件,他身邊的俠士可能就要全部覆滅
不過像這樣的人應該在後續發展中八成會因為發現什麼而被玄之玄處理掉吧XD
--
三個國家的三隻老鼠都說自己國家的酒兇,
俄國老鼠喝了伏特加.五步醉倒,
法國老鼠喝雸白蘭地,十步醉倒,
中國老鼠灌了一瓶金門高梁後,挽起袖子喊道:[他媽的貓呢?]
--
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