那些年,我們一起追的女孩 - 電影
By Caitlin
at 2011-08-15T14:09
at 2011-08-15T14:09
Table of Contents
原文恕刪~~
九把刀的作品與想法
一言以蔽之 就是"熱血"
什麼是熱血?
單純地因為對於某件人事物的執著
不計利害得失
義無反顧的奮鬥
過程產生一種激勵人心的感動 謂之熱血
由於角色的熱血
使得觀者感覺到自己的生命
如同劇中人物一般
不只是吃喝拉撒地維持心肺功能
而是更進一步活出了生而為人的價值與意義
在評價這部電影時
我想借重其他型態相似的作品
例如:我和條子的700天戰爭
裡面沒有很幼稚的舉動嗎?
有!而且一開始就是,一群人飆腳踏車超速
讓條子杯杯在大太陽底下 為了抓他們而搞得滿頭大汗
後來還加工很臭的東西 惡搞條杯杯.....現在想起來還很噁
公園挖個洞那檔事就別提了 (念在很有創意的份上......)
然而 這部電影 假如只有這些東西
頂多也只是個逗觀眾發笑的低級趣味罷了
之所以成為一部受到歡迎的青春熱血電影
是因為後面的劇情走向
生病的小蘿莉 希望看到煙火......
一群高中大男生 沒錢沒人脈
但是想盡辦法 用盡千方百計
幹了一顆煙火回來 單純只是想放個那個小蘿莉看
不是為了要把她 不是為了十年養成計畫
拼到汗都用噴的了
只是為了完成一個小女孩的美好心願
如此而已
過程中 他們不惜代價 費盡九牛二虎之力
終於幹到煙火
條杯杯趕到後 大家才發現
原來條杯杯早就知道了
他一方面擔心這些高中生放煙火發生意外
另一方面其實早有準備煙火
這就叫做熱血
另一部作品
麻辣教師GTO
即使已經過了十幾年
依然是令人難忘的熱血經典
Why?
因為鬼塚做為一個老師
雖然白爛到爆炸
用手做望遠鏡偷看女生絕對領域 喜歡收集成人片 要求學生把自己暗戀的妹弄成合成照片
但是 這部作品之所以熱血 不是因為上述的白爛
而是因為 他不惜犧牲一切 只希望讓自己的學生 把握自己的人生
而不是因為成績被學校放棄 導致也放棄自己的人生
所以
讓女學生參加選秀變成明星 修復學生的母子關係 讓學生不再暴力勒索
也讓聰明絕頂的資優生 思考知識與體驗的不同之處
這些都是鬼塚奮不顧身為學生奮鬥的結果
他不是為了當選全國優良教師 或者成為補教名師
只是單純地希望學生把握自己的人生
至於最後死守校園 更是熱到血都蒸發了!!!
洛基系列呢?
洛基本來只是暴力討債的小混混
直到拳王阿波羅選他打場表演賽
比賽前一晚
洛基告訴女友
從來沒有人可以在拳王面前撐完15回合
假如我明天做到了
至少可以證明
我不是一個廢物
我還有一點價值
剛開始他的確是為了獎金而應戰
但是 到了最後一夜 他是為了自己的self-esteem而浴血奮戰
比賽當天 我知道我打不贏你
可是無論如何 我倒下一定再站起來
我知道最後比分數我會輸
但是我就是不要倒下
這是熱血
怒海潛將
生在種族隔離年代剛結束的黑人
希望擺脫海軍艦艇的廚子身分
努力出人頭地
和白人比賽 表現出他是全船游最快的人
厚臉皮向船長要推薦信 然後寄了幾百封給從沒收過黑人的海軍學校
被士官長不斷打壓欺負 可是絕不喊痛 堅持下去
因為沒讀書快要被當掉學科 跑去圖書館拜託人家教他讀書
畢業考那天被惡搞 即使心臟可能休克也不放棄
最後 斷了一條腿 依然堅持到底
Brasher不是為了錢或地位
如同他在軍事法庭上所言
我一路走來 全力以赴希望在海軍成功
只是為了我們海軍最偉大的傳統:Honour
這叫做熱血
回頭看看九把刀的作品
他做了什麼?
那些低級趣味的部分 我就略而不談了
為一部作品增添笑料 無可厚非
但是他的熱血在哪裡?
Giddens 請你告訴我
做一些成熟的人不會做的事情
不見得是熱血
關鍵在於
做了成年人評估利弊得失之後
往往不會做的事情
吃力不討好的事情
但是 動機是令人尊敬的
在低級趣味充斥的這個時代
九把刀成為暢銷作家 只是充分反映當代台灣社會大眾的品味
這不是他個人的問題 而是整個社會的趨勢
但是
刀大
熱血 不是這樣被定義的
--
我的如意郎君是個蓋世英雄,
有一天他會身穿金甲聖衣,
腳踏七色雲彩來迎娶我。
......我猜中了前頭,卻猜不著這結局。
--
九把刀的作品與想法
一言以蔽之 就是"熱血"
什麼是熱血?
單純地因為對於某件人事物的執著
不計利害得失
義無反顧的奮鬥
過程產生一種激勵人心的感動 謂之熱血
由於角色的熱血
使得觀者感覺到自己的生命
如同劇中人物一般
不只是吃喝拉撒地維持心肺功能
而是更進一步活出了生而為人的價值與意義
在評價這部電影時
我想借重其他型態相似的作品
例如:我和條子的700天戰爭
裡面沒有很幼稚的舉動嗎?
有!而且一開始就是,一群人飆腳踏車超速
讓條子杯杯在大太陽底下 為了抓他們而搞得滿頭大汗
後來還加工很臭的東西 惡搞條杯杯.....現在想起來還很噁
公園挖個洞那檔事就別提了 (念在很有創意的份上......)
然而 這部電影 假如只有這些東西
頂多也只是個逗觀眾發笑的低級趣味罷了
之所以成為一部受到歡迎的青春熱血電影
是因為後面的劇情走向
生病的小蘿莉 希望看到煙火......
一群高中大男生 沒錢沒人脈
但是想盡辦法 用盡千方百計
幹了一顆煙火回來 單純只是想放個那個小蘿莉看
不是為了要把她 不是為了十年養成計畫
拼到汗都用噴的了
只是為了完成一個小女孩的美好心願
如此而已
過程中 他們不惜代價 費盡九牛二虎之力
終於幹到煙火
條杯杯趕到後 大家才發現
原來條杯杯早就知道了
他一方面擔心這些高中生放煙火發生意外
另一方面其實早有準備煙火
這就叫做熱血
另一部作品
麻辣教師GTO
即使已經過了十幾年
依然是令人難忘的熱血經典
Why?
因為鬼塚做為一個老師
雖然白爛到爆炸
用手做望遠鏡偷看女生絕對領域 喜歡收集成人片 要求學生把自己暗戀的妹弄成合成照片
但是 這部作品之所以熱血 不是因為上述的白爛
而是因為 他不惜犧牲一切 只希望讓自己的學生 把握自己的人生
而不是因為成績被學校放棄 導致也放棄自己的人生
所以
讓女學生參加選秀變成明星 修復學生的母子關係 讓學生不再暴力勒索
也讓聰明絕頂的資優生 思考知識與體驗的不同之處
這些都是鬼塚奮不顧身為學生奮鬥的結果
他不是為了當選全國優良教師 或者成為補教名師
只是單純地希望學生把握自己的人生
至於最後死守校園 更是熱到血都蒸發了!!!
洛基系列呢?
洛基本來只是暴力討債的小混混
直到拳王阿波羅選他打場表演賽
比賽前一晚
洛基告訴女友
從來沒有人可以在拳王面前撐完15回合
假如我明天做到了
至少可以證明
我不是一個廢物
我還有一點價值
剛開始他的確是為了獎金而應戰
但是 到了最後一夜 他是為了自己的self-esteem而浴血奮戰
比賽當天 我知道我打不贏你
可是無論如何 我倒下一定再站起來
我知道最後比分數我會輸
但是我就是不要倒下
這是熱血
怒海潛將
生在種族隔離年代剛結束的黑人
希望擺脫海軍艦艇的廚子身分
努力出人頭地
和白人比賽 表現出他是全船游最快的人
厚臉皮向船長要推薦信 然後寄了幾百封給從沒收過黑人的海軍學校
被士官長不斷打壓欺負 可是絕不喊痛 堅持下去
因為沒讀書快要被當掉學科 跑去圖書館拜託人家教他讀書
畢業考那天被惡搞 即使心臟可能休克也不放棄
最後 斷了一條腿 依然堅持到底
Brasher不是為了錢或地位
如同他在軍事法庭上所言
我一路走來 全力以赴希望在海軍成功
只是為了我們海軍最偉大的傳統:Honour
這叫做熱血
回頭看看九把刀的作品
他做了什麼?
那些低級趣味的部分 我就略而不談了
為一部作品增添笑料 無可厚非
但是他的熱血在哪裡?
Giddens 請你告訴我
做一些成熟的人不會做的事情
不見得是熱血
關鍵在於
做了成年人評估利弊得失之後
往往不會做的事情
吃力不討好的事情
但是 動機是令人尊敬的
在低級趣味充斥的這個時代
九把刀成為暢銷作家 只是充分反映當代台灣社會大眾的品味
這不是他個人的問題 而是整個社會的趨勢
但是
刀大
熱血 不是這樣被定義的
--
我的如意郎君是個蓋世英雄,
有一天他會身穿金甲聖衣,
腳踏七色雲彩來迎娶我。
......我猜中了前頭,卻猜不著這結局。
--
推 vivera:推鬼塚啊~ 08/15 14:11
推 qamidala:頭推! 08/15 14:11
推 KIKICOCOCACA:補血先 08/15 14:11
推 SHINUFOXX:拿GTO出來比 是殘忍了一點.... 08/15 14:11
推 juneday:推!熱血不是低級猥褻的爛梗... 08/15 14:11
→ qamidala:GTO是校園日劇的經典神作 08/15 14:12
推 shryuhuai:忍犬的熱血跟中二沒兩樣 08/15 14:12
推 UNT:這是九把刀的熱血 有規定每個人定義的熱血都得一樣嗎? 08/15 14:12
推 livestone:難得看到對熱血定義這麼清楚的文章,推一個… 08/15 14:13
→ qamidala:在一片好評的空泛推薦中 難得有幾篇認真的負雷好文 08/15 14:13
推 assunny1012:我贊成你對[熱血]=[不計利益得失的執著]定義 08/15 14:13
→ gor412:同意樓上= =每個人會感到熱血的事又不一樣............. 08/15 14:13
→ shryuhuai:忍犬把大便放別人桌上,一定一堆粉絲覺得很熱血吧 08/15 14:13
→ livestone:有些人的熱血可以感動很多人,有些人的熱血卻不能… 08/15 14:13
推 ldkrsi:高調一下,我想看刀大怎麼回 08/15 14:14
→ shryuhuai:這個群體的思維就不是常人能理解的 08/15 14:14
推 vivera:刀大的女孩就是自爽式的自傳電影啊~它熱血的地方是刀大自己 08/15 14:14
推 Bieber5566:熱血還有分等級喔? 請問最低級和最高級差在哪? 08/15 14:14
推 juneday:熱血不是一群幼稚男整天在那邊勃起打手槍 或是用屁股放炮 08/15 14:14
→ vivera:有投資很多錢,也算有符合「不計利益得失的執著」… 08/15 14:15
→ assunny1012:我想本片的[執著]在於對女主角的愛吧(即使連手都沒牽) 08/15 14:15
推 lycium:GTO日劇還行啦 漫畫就虛掉了 08/15 14:15
推 yuhung:還沒看過這些年(下周看) 但我喜歡你對熱血的解讀 08/15 14:15
推 charmgirl:寫得真好!不過我覺得這片主題是青春,幼稚的熱血 XD 08/15 14:15
推 qamidala:推juneday 我個人也很無法忍受這橋段 08/15 14:15
→ vivera:但我看了預告跟好文,都覺得那跟女校學生的青春,差好多… 08/15 14:15
推 weiwei1117:請大家不要批評金庸第二 >////////////////////< 08/15 14:16
推 Joejohnz:看到其中幾個例子血液都沸騰了!!!這才是真的熱血! 08/15 14:16
→ lycium:換句話說就是本片無法引起共鳴 08/15 14:16
→ Bieber5566:九把刀看到這篇要高興,票房好觀眾多自然雜音也多 08/15 14:16
→ assunny1012:幼稚的熱血也是熱血阿 對愛的執著也是執著阿 不衝突 08/15 14:16
→ qamidala:因為Bruce在文章中舉例的日劇跟電影都是此類型的傑作 08/15 14:16
推 ForgerEames:原PO舉的熱血例子真的都很感動人! 08/15 14:16
噓 chewei55:低級梗只是忠實拍出一群無聊男高中大學生會做的事啊 08/15 14:16
→ lycium:使得"熱血"像是很空泛的政治口號 08/15 14:17
→ qamidala:會以經典的傑作來與這部電影相比 G大應該要感到很高興 08/15 14:17
→ chewei55:不見得低級梗就是要表現熱血 那只是表現青春啊 08/15 14:17
→ qamidala:不要去定義Bruce對"熱血"的闡述 因為只有他自己可以定義 08/15 14:18
推 hu6111:這比較的太好了,完全把九把刀定義的熱血打趴 08/15 14:19
→ qamidala:我們沒有要為G大定義他的熱血 只是在電影中沒有看到期許 08/15 14:19
推 a71y242:的確不熱血 可是回首我的中學生涯多數是低級行為xd 08/15 14:19
推 Bieber5566:多否定一點~多罵一點 這樣就會造成一股那些年旋風~ 08/15 14:20
→ eastgman:那些年是純愛片 不是熱血片 純愛片可以把人搞哭就算成功! 08/15 14:20
推 charmgirl:有耶,彎彎,雖然我必須說這部分相當違和 :p 08/15 14:20
→ a71y242:九把刀承認我的青春很低級不熱血這樣就完美了xd 08/15 14:21
推 FBICHEN:補血 08/15 14:21
→ charmgirl:然後高中時期我雖然念女校,可是對男校的低極事蹟也聽過 08/15 14:21
推 qamidala:我們眼中的G大 在電影中表達其熱血的感染力 08/15 14:21
推 undeadfish:補血 08/15 14:22
→ charmgirl:不少,哈哈,低極部分應該跟熱血無關,那是幼稚 XD 08/15 14:22
推 ForgerEames:純愛片能讓人哭是基本吧...連哭都哭不出來也太淡了 08/15 14:22
→ a71y242:老實說是他謙虛了 成為一個很厲害的人 人家做到了 08/15 14:22
→ juneday:純...純愛片?!純愛片是不會勃起打手槍的!! 08/15 14:23
推 chanvin:推 不過他敢拍這部電影 應該有符合不計利益得失吧? 08/15 14:23
推 qamidala:再推juneday 搞笑跟低級是兩碼事 08/15 14:24
推 test05test:補血 工讀生快來了 08/15 14:24
推 LoveFluid:一直放口碑場 我想應該還滿在意商業上的利益得失 08/15 14:24
推 Joejohnz:周杰倫拍電影也是不計得失,這就叫做熱血!!! 08/15 14:25
→ qamidala:只要有人反對黃色低級就要被說不懂作者的熱血與青春 08/15 14:25
推 charmgirl:這年頭真的有那麼多工讀生?@@ 08/15 14:25
→ charmgirl:哪可能拍電影不計較利益得失,又不是錢多到滿出來 :p 08/15 14:25
推 ForgerEames:熱血但不只是自high touch到觀眾內心深處才是成功吧 08/15 14:25
→ qamidala:只是覺得已經造成洗版的一面倒好雷卻讓我很失望 08/15 14:26
→ qamidala:只要有人PO出嚴正的負雷就得遭受莫名的噓文攻擊 08/15 14:26
→ chanvin:我指的是拍之前 資金都是問題了 08/15 14:27
→ charmgirl:所以我不先不看討論的習慣是對的 XD 阿信文到現在我一篇 08/15 14:27
推 dabalax:不錯的文!給推! 08/15 14:27
→ charmgirl:都沒看,就怕出現期待落空的感覺,用空的心情去全然感受 08/15 14:27
→ chanvin:當然上映後 想要回本就無可厚非了 08/15 14:27
→ qamidala:覺得好雷歸好雷 但討論還是要回歸理性啊 08/15 14:28
→ charmgirl:我怎麼是看到負雷被推到爆 XD 08/15 14:28
→ qamidala:你覺得好雷不代表別人不能說他負雷 08/15 14:28
→ qamidala:因為實在看不慣某些為了噓文而噓文的人 08/15 14:29
→ charmgirl:可以啊,不然負雷就不會被推爆了,只是我喜歡看理性文 08/15 14:29
推 ForgerEames:負雷就那幾篇 不喜歡的人當然去推到爆囉 物以稀為貴 08/15 14:29
推 uchiyama:粉絲護航艦隊出動嚕 08/15 14:29
→ chanvin:我覺得負雷到比較理性 08/15 14:30
→ charmgirl:對完全不是粉絲的我來說,看到什麼護航部隊就很點點點 08/15 14:30
→ ForgerEames:而且目前的負雷大部分都是分析得很好的 有內容的文章 08/15 14:30
→ charmgirl:這倒是真的,我今天才發始翻那些年文,好雷寫的有點空泛 08/15 14:30
推 mcwagamama:同意 他說話永遠就是『熱血、戰鬥』 膩都膩了 08/15 14:31
→ charmgirl:負雷幾乎都言之有物(來亂的除外) 08/15 14:31
推 qamidala:推樓上 08/15 14:31
→ qamidala:因為好奇心殺死一隻貓 我默默的就把全部討論文看完了 08/15 14:31
→ charmgirl:學我吧學我吧,先不要看文章,看完電影再回來討論 08/15 14:32
→ qamidala:當然不是說好雷文全部沒有認真精闢的 當然有 只是很少 08/15 14:32
→ charmgirl:我發現沒有預設立場的看電影,真的比帶東西帶好看的多 08/15 14:32
推 ForgerEames:所以說理性負雷被推爆合理 但其實推文中有很多隨便噓 08/15 14:32
→ qamidala:反而是昨天ice大跟這篇Bruce這兩篇深有同感 08/15 14:33
→ charmgirl:好雷也有被亂噓的,都被噓是工讀生,真的是...... 08/15 14:33
→ chanvin:粉絲護航艦隊在哪? 看謀 08/15 14:33
→ charmgirl:話說回來,這篇熱血解析的真是太熱血了! 08/15 14:33
推 Pharaoh5566:謝謝你 9527 08/15 14:34
→ ForgerEames:好雷被噓是有因果的我覺得 一開始電影板上全是好雷 某 08/15 14:34
→ qamidala:是阿 因為Bruce列舉的電影都是很振奮人心讓人熱血沸騰! 08/15 14:34
→ ForgerEames:天突然出現了一篇負雷 底下推文戰得亂七八糟 08/15 14:35
→ qamidala:如果我再補充這類型的好片 會私心推舉《海猿》電影全系列 08/15 14:35
推 Abovethesky:熱血兩字被說到爛了 08/15 14:35
→ charmgirl:GTO 光是片頭音樂一出來我就整個熱血沸騰!!! 08/15 14:35
→ ForgerEames:之後就開始有人轉移陣地去好雷的推文裡吵 08/15 14:35
→ ForgerEames:形成一種莫名其妙的循環= = 08/15 14:36
→ qamidala:GTO真的是六年級後段班與七年級前段班的當代神作 08/15 14:36
→ charmgirl:原來是這樣,我還沒爬到前面的 XD 只是覺得這片沒那麼負 08/15 14:36
→ charmgirl:因為GTO超愛反町隆史啊,哈哈 08/15 14:36
→ qamidala:應該說因為前面都是好雷一片倒 才會有產生沈默的螺旋力量 08/15 14:37
→ tryit0902:我覺得妳也不懂熱血 = = " 08/15 14:38
推 ONISUKA:推 七百日戰爭真的好看 不僅僅只是熱血而已 08/15 14:38
推 a71y242:不要期待太多 它真的不難看阿XD 08/15 14:38
→ charmgirl:熱血這種事沒有懂不懂我覺得,因為每個人的熱血都不一樣 08/15 14:39
推 qamidala:再推樓上 08/15 14:39
推 ForgerEames:話說怒海潛將實在是超激勵人心的! 08/15 14:39
→ qamidala:為什麼一定要說 誰誰不懂熱血 誰誰不懂刀大 08/15 14:39
→ qamidala:我不懂熱血不懂刀大 但是我進戲院看電影以行動支持 08/15 14:39
推 Yunk:只能推這篇了 08/15 14:40
→ chanvin:因為那些都是反串 08/15 14:40
→ qamidala:難道看完連一點感覺都不能直說嗎?我覺得好奇怪喔 08/15 14:40
→ qamidala:會有反推 絕對是因為大家認為刀大可以表現的更好 08/15 14:41
→ qamidala:大家帶著高度期待的心情與欣賞電影 絕不是因挑剔而反推 08/15 14:41
→ charmgirl:這片因為我不是抱著熱血的心情去看的,我是想看幼稚青春 08/15 14:42
推 dandewalk:每個人的熱血都不一樣 我有你的熱血也有刀大的熱血 08/15 14:42
→ charmgirl:所以覺得不夠好的地方是很多共同的時代回憶沒有表現出來 08/15 14:43
→ ForgerEames:說真的 其實看題材就不會覺得是熱血片= = 08/15 14:43
→ charmgirl:我本來以為會看到很多我們中年生活的"大環境"記憶 08/15 14:43
→ charmgirl:打錯,中學生活 (差一個字差好多 囧) 08/15 14:44
推 qamidala:只是覺得認真的負雷文章底下總是會有跳針的攻擊文 08/15 14:44
推 ja23072008:值得推 08/15 14:44
→ charmgirl:結果都草草帶過,校園生活倒是處理得不錯 08/15 14:44
→ qamidala:這版上的風氣就是這樣嗎? 08/15 14:45
→ charmgirl:那種來亂的推文就不要管了,雖然很不爽我知道。 08/15 14:45
推 yspen:這篇不是打臉文 你狠狠的捅了刀迷們一刀 08/15 14:45
→ charmgirl:我看到一些亂攻擊的文章或好雷下面說是虎爛的也很沮喪 08/15 14:46
→ charmgirl:討論電影也應該是一件很單純的事情啊 (大嘆) 08/15 14:46
→ qamidala:對啊 覺得明明就可以開懷討論卻得先花力氣回應莫名攻擊 08/15 14:47
→ qamidala:講完人家一定覺得我很多事 話太多 無謂的正義 08/15 14:47
→ qamidala:只是不希望以後這些願意講出真心話 文章精闢者都不願開文 08/15 14:48
→ qamidala:一篇客觀又立論精闢的文章 足以讓絕對是書迷的讀者也認同 08/15 14:49
→ qamidala:即便就算身為書迷 也不代表不可以有反推電影的表態 08/15 14:50
→ qamidala:難道不能存在雅量 讓討論流於理性包容嗎? 08/15 14:50
→ chanvin:阿你沒發現 推爆的負雷是書迷發的嗎.. 08/15 14:52
→ Bruce9527:感謝上面幾位大大討論 可否讓其他人在這篇多發表些意見 08/15 14:53
→ Bruce9527:謝謝~~ 08/15 14:53
推 mited:完全同意推~ 08/15 14:53
推 DarkChilles:低級不等於熱血 08/15 14:55
推 tom123bob:熱血真的不應該只有這樣 08/15 14:55
推 v60i:很贊同這篇對熱血的看法 08/15 14:55
推 ourlun:熱血有很多種啊,熱血如果被定義的話,就不夠熱血了! 08/15 14:59
推 gn01149163:讚同 08/15 15:00
→ Bonescythe:幹~人生就是不停的戰鬥 熱血就是中二考秋琴 08/15 15:01
→ Bonescythe:你的定義很棒 為了執著的事物義無反顧不記得失 08/15 15:02
推 Yunk:某大所謂的熱血 就跟某人掛嘴邊的XX也是rok n rol的style一樣 08/15 15:02
→ Bonescythe:當然 考秋琴也是熱血 08/15 15:02
推 UNT:在教室打手槍還不夠熱血嗎?這就是九把刀的熱血! 08/15 15:03
推 boyen3:嘴巴說說的熱血都嘛很熱 只是行為讓人心寒 08/15 15:04
推 rinsoukan:推GTO!!!! 08/15 15:06
推 dalyadam:說的好 08/15 15:08
推 DryYourTears:只能推了 08/15 15:11
推 saddog:推! 熱血不是這麼廉價的 08/15 15:14
→ wolfrains:熱血跟腦充血只差一個字 電影都不是 是.... 08/15 15:15
推 flexin:你不懂刃犬的熱血啦 護衛隊怎還沒來護航 護駕!護駕! 08/15 15:15
推 sohostar:洛基!洛基!洛基! 08/15 15:15
推 Nadialove:推 真正的熱血不是做低級的事 而是成功後會讓人尊敬的事 08/15 15:17
推 carolmystery:推你對熱血的定義 08/15 15:18
推 ponguy:這才是所謂的熱血 08/15 15:20
推 mingdao:我竟然覺得你好像朱學恆 08/15 15:20
→ nightfly1984:為追一個女孩認真讀書,最後考上交大,把春青的故事 08/15 15:23
→ nightfly1984:寫成小說,最後拍成電影,這還不夠熱血嗎? 08/15 15:23
→ nightfly1984:我不敢說九把刀現在有多成功,但他的確是一步一步在 08/15 15:25
→ Bonescythe: 賺錢 08/15 15:26
→ nightfly1984:實現他的熱血,以及他說出來的夢想.. 08/15 15:26
→ Bonescythe: 定價250 08/15 15:27
推 KIKICOCOCACA:一堆酸的人 還不是眼紅刀大 08/15 15:27
推 Bonescythe: 的中二護衛團 08/15 15:28
推 krokopaja:他說是就是 你說是也是 08/15 15:29
推 fieed:樓上斷得好雞歪 笑死了XD 08/15 15:30
推 Brad255:可以當簽名檔了XDD 08/15 15:30
→ popodai:推 krokopaja:他說是就是 你說是也是..熱血怎麼定義?? 08/15 15:32
噓 S80:你不懂刀大的熱血憑什麼質疑他?這麼熱血的電影應該參展奧斯卡! 08/15 15:33
→ minoru04:熱血又怎樣? 2倍傷害而已 不如有魂 08/15 15:36
推 daniellue:冏把刃的熱shit不可質疑 08/15 15:37
推 Bonescythe:我自己做成簽名黨了 刃太都不回文 晚上八卦版開戰 08/15 15:40
推 undeadfish:刃太根本不屑和你戰 省省力氣吧 08/15 15:42
推 WestismyDad:某B只會跳針還敢去八卦開戰 08/15 15:42
→ a93202042:打臉文 ㄎㄎ 刀迷要爆走了 08/15 15:47
推 ringfan:推好文 08/15 15:49
噓 ok59420:直接END 08/15 15:50
推 freedom77:護航迷進攻囉 08/15 15:50
→ ragunen:不可質疑你的 刃太 08/15 15:54
推 Bonescythe:west筆戰功力很差 你們爬前面的文看他被打臉噴汁就夠了 08/15 15:57
→ Bonescythe:刀迷的程度~~~ 08/15 15:57
推 Jaicabai:喔喔喔慘了 你會被噓喔 我先幫你補血 08/15 15:58
推 ForgerEames:有人開始不理性噓了 負雷就是不懂九把刀 薄弱的噓點 08/15 16:00
→ WestismyDad:說某B酸民風範沒看過就無腦噓,結果某B跳針總統行政權 08/15 16:02
→ WestismyDad:這種程度還敢戰 08/15 16:02
推 leedan777:GTO才是真正的熱血啊~~~ 08/15 16:02
噓 JoakimNoah:為反而反 一部電影能讓大家懷念青春時光 就夠熱血了 08/15 16:04
推 lichun1228:好啊~講得讚 08/15 16:05
推 poan2600:從支持者的程度或許可以約略看出該明星的價值.. 08/15 16:06
推 bikestormer:說的挺好~ 08/15 16:07
推 Bonescythe:你看不懂"罵總統是不是要懂總統行政權內容"的比喻 08/15 16:20
→ Bonescythe:我沒有當你老師的閒心 被其他人酸爆了還趕出來 08/15 16:20
推 airlow:的確,光看這些雷文,我還是不知道熱血在哪... 08/15 16:23
推 muamaucc:推你鮮明的熱血定義 一群刀粉認為打槍..?熱血?青春 08/15 16:24
推 WestismyDad:照你的意思,不就是酸九把刀不需要看過他的電影 08/15 16:25
→ WestismyDad:那還有什麼好說的?就是無腦酸阿 08/15 16:26
推 Bonescythe:我問你是不是 你自己補成是 我說過我看過他一堆書 08/15 16:28
→ Bonescythe:加油囉迷迷 我今天上班很閒才發廢文消遣你 晚上再見 08/15 16:28
推 WestismyDad:又再跳針了,什麼看過一堆書?請你正面回應阿 08/15 16:30
推 swish123:身邊的人都以為做蠢事是熱血 很煩捏 08/15 16:30
→ myukaka:九把刀的熱血就是,暗戀一個手都沒牽到的女孩,居然最後把 08/15 16:31
→ myukaka:它拍成電影..... 08/15 16:31
推 assunny1012:想推樓上XDDD 08/15 16:34
推 drusilla:推「動機是令人尊敬的」 08/15 16:36
推 evilwyh:戰翻了 九把刀真是電影版小釣手 (? 08/15 16:37
→ sohostar:快爆了。 08/15 16:39
推 cyc647:推 08/15 16:41
推 doxo50:有些例子比較沒共鳴啦 但這部片真的沒那麼好 08/15 16:42
推 whitew:看了你的文~真的很熱血啊! 08/15 16:43
推 ForgerEames:推 08/15 16:46
→ acedia25:這是九把刀的熱血 有規定每個人定義的熱血都得一樣嗎? 08/15 16:46
推 muamaucc:刀犬的熱血就是脫褲子....在桌上拉屎 顆顆 08/15 16:47
推 lp2348:你拿神作去跟新手比幹麻=.= 08/15 16:50
推 sunnyer:推一個 08/15 16:51
推 echolee:推 08/15 16:51
推 muamaucc:爆!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 08/15 16:52
推 sentsuki:說得好~而且我看不出他對女主角的執著在哪 連答案都不敢 08/15 16:58
→ sentsuki:聽就先按下自爆鈕了 這叫被打槍後還持續掏心掏肺的宅宅們 08/15 16:59
→ sentsuki:情何以堪 08/15 16:59
推 silentwatch:好文推 08/15 17:02
推 mikejan:一滴精十滴血 打手槍代表有其它電影十倍的熱血呀! 08/15 17:02
推 Bonescythe:幹 淚推麥可詹..超好笑 08/15 17:04
推 hnrywang:中肯!!! 08/15 17:04
推 diggal:講到我心坎裡XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 08/15 17:15
推 joe2:白爛中二根本就不算熱血 熱個屁 根本就是射後不理沒目標嘛 08/15 17:18
→ sky20501:蟬堡啥時要拍電影 08/15 17:18
噓 nckukath:我覺得很熱血 08/15 17:25
推 yellowbooky:爆 08/15 17:25
推 flysonics:我很喜歡這篇對熱血的定義 給個推 08/15 17:27
推 iscor:單純喜歡這篇 喜歡這種定義 推~ 08/15 17:36
→ iam0718:熱血 看一下鋼彈吧! 08/15 17:38
推 muamaucc:以熱血之名~行圖利之實~ 08/15 17:40
推 pocky0o0:讓人尊敬的熱血 跟聽完很囧的熱血 程度上有很大的差異 08/15 17:44
→ pocky0o0:每次聽到一堆小屁孩喊熱血熱血去做一些沒有意義的事 真的 08/15 17:45
→ pocky0o0:是...... (沒有意義指的是一些惡作劇之類的小事 08/15 17:48
推 x955161:推一個XD 08/15 17:50
推 monya0124:那個id是不是艾米達拉啊? 我是星戰迷呢 08/15 17:51
推 jojomickey2:你舉的例子能不推嗎?對比起來這部片真的冷血了點~ 08/15 17:56
→ jojomickey2:一起打手槍那場,真的低級的可以,但結局頗佳~ 08/15 17:57
推 theyolf:低級梗充斥的年代那段說真的好 08/15 18:04
→ theyolf:對刃太粉來說 搞不好拿大便惡整別人也很熱血青春 08/15 18:04
推 shark157:不錯阿~~ 08/15 18:09
推 crysdaisy:熱血的定義好 九把刀要真那麼熱血應該挑戰賽德克XD 08/15 18:18
推 SunnyDale:好文章! 08/15 18:23
推 skoolooks:不推不行,真的很討厭那些自我感覺良好的熱血人 08/15 18:26
推 elainecriss:做一些成熟的人不會做的事情 不見得是熱血!!!!! 08/15 18:31
推 w1230319:真是中肯,給你甲上上 08/15 18:55
推 small0725:中肯 08/15 19:06
推 EV1L:中肯 08/15 19:09
推 qamidala:monya0124指的是我嗎? 08/15 19:17
推 chrisjohn214:這篇看完好熱血阿!!! 08/15 19:19
推 c3oc3o:恩..這文中肯 感覺牠甚麼都灌上 "熱血" 就一堆人高潮 ... 08/15 19:22
推 IAmFreeAndU:狠...後面的作品太犯規了...我想評木村也沒搬到好萊塢 08/15 19:23
推 rinamami:推!他的熱血拍成電影來行銷給我們就不要怪大家罵聲不斷~ 08/15 19:30
推 mylove0617:寫的很棒... 08/15 19:37
推 poshboy:言之有理~~還舉了好多電影實例~刀大的熱血就是拍了這部 08/15 19:54
推 wengho:大推!我和條子700天戰爭 真的熱血十足!!! 08/15 20:05
推 ipiscrh:中肯推,熱血不是這樣亂玩的 08/15 20:08
推 damnedfish:看電影版以來,最精闢的文章 08/15 20:11
推 isotropic:嘴巴喊喊就是熱血囉 刃犬說了算 08/15 20:21
推 miracle1215:這篇文章鏗鏘有力 08/15 20:26
推 fukobe:推薦這篇文章....也推 我和條子的700天戰爭 08/15 20:29
推 yenfeng:J然原PO提到了GTO的鬼塚 那也不得不推ROOKIES的川藤 08/15 20:31
推 fukobe:有趣的是刀會到處回文, 可是像這篇和"女孩 vs 阿信"這些 08/15 20:34
→ fukobe:有較尖銳但現實的提問,他就熱血的脫離戰鬥去和粉絲並肩作戰 08/15 20:36
推 c3oc3o:都選擇性失明 08/15 20:36
推 stupid324:當櫻木花道知道他可能會結束選手生命,但他生命中最光榮 08/15 20:38
→ stupid324:時刻是什麼時候:只有現在!! 08/15 20:38
推 yenfeng:現實中 光是日本夏甲比賽 就比刀寫的書 還熱血上N倍 08/15 20:46
推 FairyClaire:真的不能同你更多!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 08/15 20:51
推 Nazibest:有道理 舊把刀會反省嗎*.* 08/15 20:51
噓 MIKEmike07:END 無聊 08/15 21:05
推 lemon7242:推影片分析 我喜歡XD 08/15 21:08
推 phivil:寫得很棒 08/15 21:09
噓 wwweer267:紅紅的噓就是我的熱血 08/15 21:17
推 yenfeng:刀迷上工了嗎 08/15 21:19
推 gn00067504:邦推......每天在那刀大刀大的就過頭了..還消費ptt 08/15 21:23
推 zxcvb0412:值得推薦 08/15 21:42
推 NUKnigel:大推700!!!!!!!!!!! 08/15 21:43
→ Blink41:我一開始沒有很想看這齣電影可是剛剛看完我覺得很好看欸 08/15 21:45
→ Blink41:有種懷念"自己"以前高中生活的感覺,還有戀愛的感覺: ) 08/15 21:46
推 RayGun34:好文 08/15 21:55
推 svince88:好文 08/15 21:57
推 neozhou:身為九把刀的書迷,我只能說這篇中肯。 08/15 21:59
推 shiaowei:贊成!!熱血不等於幼稚低俗!!上課打手槍晚上讀書吵人還回 08/15 22:03
→ shiaowei:嗆,這就沒公德心又無聊,不是熱血!! 08/15 22:03
推 bibiolin23:推!常常會有人誤會熱血的意思!!!! 08/15 22:10
推 salqv:認同你的熱血定義! 08/15 22:13
推 w1230319:腦__刀迷快點來護航喔^^ 顆顆 08/15 22:14
噓 org277:一堆推文中我噓~就是我的熱血~刀大謝謝你~ 08/15 22:18
推 w1230319:補血 刀迷互航了 顆顆 08/15 22:19
推 Drunken5566:社會為什麼變成這樣........哎 08/15 22:19
推 legendkid:水~夠熱血 08/15 22:28
噓 lovefordidi:ㄎㄎ 你們再繼續臭刀大吧,事實就是他是被市場接受的 08/15 22:31
推 TUBABear:幫推! 08/15 22:32
推 shyng:原來市場就是熱血喔(筆記) 08/15 22:32
推 milk607:完全同意! 08/15 22:34
推 number21:倒數兩段 08/15 22:34
推 bruce77:Bruce給個推 ~ 寫的真好 08/15 22:38
推 Chris761015:好文 推一個 :) 08/15 22:55
推 k2554066:對不起力六 08/15 22:56
噓 nckukath:說真的,你的例子我覺得沒有很熱血 08/15 23:05
→ nckukath:抱歉,噓了兩次,等等補推 08/15 23:05
推 nckukath:原則是不噓兩次的 08/15 23:09
推 uhbygv45:推本篇的熱血 有些人總把白爛當熱血 或是把熊庹當態度 08/15 23:10
推 cappa:他自己下海出錢把回憶拍成電影還意外好看 反而比較熱血 08/15 23:18
噓 nthomas:你很懂熱血? 08/15 23:21
推 sable:刃犬的熱血就是為了怕被賽德克搶票房先推口碑場。 08/15 23:27
推 pocky0o0:被市場接受但是評語很差也不是好事吧?看神鬼奇航4跟TDK 08/15 23:29
→ pocky0o0:大家心中馬上有個高下了吧 08/15 23:29
推 great1:要挺作者也不要太過沉迷吧?!什麼"不要質疑刀大...點點點的" 08/15 23:29
推 rainbowX:GTO真的是經典..熱血到令人笑中帶淚... 08/15 23:29
→ great1:每個人都有發表自己意見的權力吧 08/15 23:31
推 derket:寫得很引人共鳴,熱血就應該是如此 08/15 23:45
推 a82412:舉例出來的都很棒 不過九把刀給我的感覺比較接近現實 08/15 23:48
推 gzzzneww:不過鬼塚是漫畫劇情 那些年卻是真實事件改編 雖然我比 08/15 23:49
→ gzzzneww:較喜歡二哥哥很想你 :) 08/15 23:49
推 mananama:推你對熱血的定義!!! 08/15 23:54
推 suckmanisme:推 08/15 23:54
推 Barry911:討厭幼稚的熱血!!!!!!!!!!!!!!這部電影就是.......... 08/15 23:57
噓 qeworz:我完全贊同你的說法 但是熱血怎麼說都是為了感動自己而已 08/16 00:03
→ qeworz:別人的熱血我們也不需要去幫別人定義 熱血本來就是自爽不是 08/16 00:03
推 a7891:這篇寫的真精彩 推 08/16 00:08
推 deengel:樓上就是腦充血 08/16 00:12
推 maskzero:很贊同這篇文章的觀點...低級梗極多 還有跟原作不符 刻意 08/16 00:13
→ maskzero:營造的部份 讓人不是很喜歡 08/16 00:14
推 KingKingCold:中肯!!廉價的熱血不是熱血,是敗血 08/16 00:19
噓 HAYADO:自爽的熱血而已 08/16 00:51
推 SantanaJohan:推~ 08/16 00:53
推 pqdemxxx:我有收刀大的書~~但還是想推這篇XD~~ 08/16 01:10
推 fantasyeagle:寫的真好 我推爆你 08/16 01:24
推 bumpofchiki:推!!!!!! 說的太棒了 (雖然長了一點 XD) 08/16 01:32
推 Dych:投資方原本不情願 最後還是砸錢了 這叫做熱血 08/16 01:54
→ Dych:發現賺錢了 更加熱血 08/16 01:55
推 AyaTojo:推!! 08/16 02:03
推 insist520:推原po對熱血的定義 08/16 02:55
推 monya0124:對阿。 耶 4點半 我贏了~~ 08/16 04:33
→ monya0124:剛剛把異形1~4一口氣看完,真是爽阿 雪歌姨真熱血 08/16 04:34
推 killerken:拿洛基比 實在是殺雞焉用牛刀了 08/16 04:47
推 monkeyguy:中 肯推 08/16 07:24
推 david1110:不要吵架~ 08/16 07:51
推 CdEd:推.."忍犬" 08/16 09:04
推 jho52106:$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 他變質了 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ 08/16 09:18
推 flyingpops:推~~看了我都熱血了起來 08/16 09:45
推 lc301:推~~ 08/16 10:11
推 mixlatea:QQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQQ 淚推 08/16 11:28
推 Davidgood:這篇有夠熱血!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 08/16 11:38
推 chelong666:你道出了我不喜歡酒把刀的原因 但我還是喜歡這部片 08/16 12:41
推 twobom:這篇寫的不錯 不過對於熱血的定義...熱血真的可以定義嗎? 08/16 13:48
→ msn10022:人家爽阿 讀者買他的帳不然你要怎樣? 08/16 15:21
推 holydevil:推 08/16 18:47
推 Isir:爽 08/16 20:39
推 ruokcnn:為何不給推 08/16 21:17
推 wuhao:好文 08/16 21:39
推 kaede0711:這篇就是熱血了! 08/16 21:50
推 riker729:刀大的熱血 只是做別人不敢做的事 沒有然後 08/16 22:01
推 arrakis:這篇很好。 08/16 22:26
推 rilter:這篇不推對不起自己 08/17 00:13
噓 dreamtime09:有的人看三級片也很熱血,給r大,吃大便別人也不敢做 08/17 00:38
→ dreamtime09:按錯,等等補推,我也覺得9把刀就很淺 08/17 00:40
推 lwowl:中肯...真的 08/17 01:02
推 zincs:中肯推!!! 08/17 01:38
推 srw234:例子舉得都不錯 很有畫面~ 08/17 02:14
推 j20006640:好熱血的一篇文章!!!!!!! 08/17 02:19
推 vidan41:這篇中肯 但我好奇dreamtime何時要補推 唉.... 08/17 04:56
推 EllinLin:看了都熱血起來了!!! 08/17 12:47
推 resolmai:好文~ 夢時間的補推呢 08/17 13:28
推 leevarchu:好文就是推 08/17 13:41
推 kullan:來朝聖的 08/17 21:30
→ furbyyeh:"刀大的熱血不是" 和 "刀大 熱血不是" 差好多 08/17 21:32
推 shwei2012:熱血的推一個 08/17 21:53
推 Archer002:寫得真好..推!! 08/17 22:05
推 Rex1009:我來朝聖簽名檔的 08/17 22:32
推 Yie:原本要來朝聖推文,沒想到本文寫得更好。 08/17 23:26
推 bigcookiepan:中肯 年紀大了就會覺得這是幼稚 08/18 00:02
推 See3Children:朝聖簽名檔 XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 08/18 00:48
推 wei105113:朝聖推!! 08/18 04:36
推 skafox:朝聖!!! 寫得真好!!!! 08/18 09:00
推 peter694:九把刀都不敢回應 08/18 09:45
推 ironkyoater:對刀大來說,只有刀大自己能夠定義熱血 08/18 11:06
推 sourpine: 08/18 11:55
※ 編輯: Bruce9527 來自: 111.240.69.129 (08/18 13:12) 推 ZincSaga:朝聖 08/19 10:53
推 winnieme:熱血之餘,能帶給觀者什麼???這是個值得思考的問題 08/19 10:55
推 keymentw:推!熱血是堅持不放棄,並不是這一種另類熱血定義 08/19 17:04
推 hewittlin:我完全同意你 08/19 23:16
推 athena888:寫的太好了 08/20 00:50
推 yaspo:的確..裡面找不到多少大多數人的青春 08/20 23:27
推 olien19:貽害萬世呀... 08/21 15:33
推 PaulPierce34:推洛基跟史特龍,這才是好作品 08/22 01:11
噓 haha1990:我不是刀大的迷 08/22 01:50
→ haha1990:但我想說 這部片熱血的地方不在於裡面的內容 08/22 01:50
→ haha1990:也不在於打手槍 或是你認為低級的事情 08/22 01:51
→ haha1990:而是他努力成為一個小說家 把自己的愛情青春回憶搬上來 08/22 01:51
→ haha1990:甚至拍成一部片 昭告天下 他的愛 他的回憶 08/22 01:52
→ haha1990:光是他為自己的夢想 為自己的愛情做到這點 08/22 01:52
→ haha1990:就已經比你熱血了 他至少不是只會發文抱怨 光說不練 08/22 01:53
→ haha1990:你可以說這部片很多低級的笑點 但講熱血你實在沒資格 08/22 01:53
→ haha1990:你沒看懂熱血在哪 低級笑點本身不叫熱血 是你自己以為 08/22 01:55
推 justwhite:樓上 那是刀大他的行為熱血 所以你是去看他的電影還是他 08/22 02:22
→ justwhite:的行為? 本末倒置了吧! 還有GTO的鬼塚其實也是青春幼稚 08/22 02:23
→ justwhite:又加有點色色的低級 但卻熱血百倍阿!! 08/22 02:24
噓 fzxc50710: 08/22 12:14
推 thedeathhero:熱血都不熱血了 08/22 13:37
推 bestmoe:推!!!說的超好!! 08/24 23:01
推 sjvious:沒辦法 看來在台灣 打手槍是很大的市場阿 08/25 03:33
推 quaketw:推!! 09/05 02:35
推 tiest0913:我被捏到七百天的劇情啦 = =!!! 01/02 12:01
→ yagoodman:推!!!! 01/28 12:56
噓 nbuadmin:前面認同 最後不認同 04/30 02:11
推 PPmYeah:來朝聖簽名檔XD 2014/ 01/28 18:17
推 aa58231: 朝聖 簽名檔超好笑 09/05 11:08
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