那些年,我們一起追的女孩 - 電影
By George
at 2011-08-16T19:33
at 2011-08-16T19:33
Table of Contents
原文恕刪~~
這部電影最大的問題有二
一是劇本 二是行銷
關於劇本的部分
九把刀曾經現場表演寫小說給觀眾看 也曾經連續14個月都出版著作
他的寫作份量與銷售數量 其實遠在黃春明或朱天心之上
然而 至今 他仍然被定位為網路作家 不是沒有原因的!
在這部電影之前 我對九把刀存有一些好感
因為身邊有朋友很喜歡他 我也不覺得他有什麼引我非議之處
這部電影問世之後.....
我有一點想法
九把刀所謂的"戰鬥"和"熱血"等感人熱淚的文詞
其實只是用來掩飾他真實生活的苦悶與乏味
我們都會有閒來無事 悶得發慌的時候
為了"消遣"時間 就會找些事情來做
然而 不成熟的人往往找些不成熟的事情來做
嚴重一點的
有人惡作劇別人 一口氣幫他訂50個大披薩
有人在自己地盤騎機車鬼混 看見落單的人就找他麻煩
輕微一點的 就如同九把刀所做的那些事 沒有傷害到任何人 但是也不值得拿出來說嘴
(除非 拿出來說嘴可以賺錢~~)
做了那些自己認為很X的事 然後不斷因此而稱許自己 日後更一直懷念
認為自己的人生做過這些事情 因此很神氣 很特別 很了不起
老實說 你我或多或少 都有過這樣的人生歷程
但是 那是幾歲的人 幾歲的事了?
九把刀在他的書迷圈裡面自得其樂 不干我事 我也沒興趣干涉
問題是 隨著文字和影像的傳播 影響力已經越來越大
有一天假如中學老師站在台上教書 台下學生做一樣的事
只是因為他們覺得那樣很X (刀大也這樣啊.....老師不懂年輕人的想法啦~~)
怎麼辦?
用大螢幕宣傳自己做這些事的人 32歲的你 依然採取了12歲的觀點
幼稚或愚蠢不可恥 我們都有過不成熟
但是把幼稚和愚蠢端上檯面 並以此 沾沾自喜 洋洋得意
那就真的沒有"恥"了!
關於行銷手法
"有新聞就是好新聞" 這句話很多人說 我印象最深刻的是本土天王講這句話的表情
沒錯! 譁眾取寵是當下的趨勢
先找一堆年輕妹妹穿少少走秀 產品待會再推出來
先炒新聞讓大家注意到這個藝人 下禮拜再宣布要發片或拍戲
但是 假如你想得到的不只是別人的注意
同時 還有別人的敬意
請你注意吸引別人的方法
這樣別人才能看得起你這個人或你的作品
14個月連續寫14本 很不容易
黃春明 黃凡 張愛玲 都辦不到
甚至連李敖寫大江大海噱了你 都要40天了!
有了這次的風波 我相信至少又會被寫成一本以上
鄉民的意見 成了九把刀的寫作素材
剪貼之後 加上自己的回應 就是一本了.......
建請板主開放置底文大怒灌
鄉民要很生氣的推 很生氣的噓 都可以
不要再讓"這些年"相關文章洗版了
君不見 Giddens幾乎都只回應那些讚美的文章?
對於質疑和挑戰的文章 一律無視
這不是負責任的電影版鄉民
先前運用電影版鄉民身分不斷發文宣傳製作歷程
現在面對挑戰 卻射後不理 說得過去嗎?
--
我的如意郎君是個蓋世英雄,
有一天他會身穿金甲聖衣,
腳踏七色雲彩來迎娶我。
......我猜中了前頭,卻猜不著這結局。
--
這部電影最大的問題有二
一是劇本 二是行銷
關於劇本的部分
九把刀曾經現場表演寫小說給觀眾看 也曾經連續14個月都出版著作
他的寫作份量與銷售數量 其實遠在黃春明或朱天心之上
然而 至今 他仍然被定位為網路作家 不是沒有原因的!
在這部電影之前 我對九把刀存有一些好感
因為身邊有朋友很喜歡他 我也不覺得他有什麼引我非議之處
這部電影問世之後.....
我有一點想法
九把刀所謂的"戰鬥"和"熱血"等感人熱淚的文詞
其實只是用來掩飾他真實生活的苦悶與乏味
我們都會有閒來無事 悶得發慌的時候
為了"消遣"時間 就會找些事情來做
然而 不成熟的人往往找些不成熟的事情來做
嚴重一點的
有人惡作劇別人 一口氣幫他訂50個大披薩
有人在自己地盤騎機車鬼混 看見落單的人就找他麻煩
輕微一點的 就如同九把刀所做的那些事 沒有傷害到任何人 但是也不值得拿出來說嘴
(除非 拿出來說嘴可以賺錢~~)
做了那些自己認為很X的事 然後不斷因此而稱許自己 日後更一直懷念
認為自己的人生做過這些事情 因此很神氣 很特別 很了不起
老實說 你我或多或少 都有過這樣的人生歷程
但是 那是幾歲的人 幾歲的事了?
九把刀在他的書迷圈裡面自得其樂 不干我事 我也沒興趣干涉
問題是 隨著文字和影像的傳播 影響力已經越來越大
有一天假如中學老師站在台上教書 台下學生做一樣的事
只是因為他們覺得那樣很X (刀大也這樣啊.....老師不懂年輕人的想法啦~~)
怎麼辦?
用大螢幕宣傳自己做這些事的人 32歲的你 依然採取了12歲的觀點
幼稚或愚蠢不可恥 我們都有過不成熟
但是把幼稚和愚蠢端上檯面 並以此 沾沾自喜 洋洋得意
那就真的沒有"恥"了!
關於行銷手法
"有新聞就是好新聞" 這句話很多人說 我印象最深刻的是本土天王講這句話的表情
沒錯! 譁眾取寵是當下的趨勢
先找一堆年輕妹妹穿少少走秀 產品待會再推出來
先炒新聞讓大家注意到這個藝人 下禮拜再宣布要發片或拍戲
但是 假如你想得到的不只是別人的注意
同時 還有別人的敬意
請你注意吸引別人的方法
這樣別人才能看得起你這個人或你的作品
14個月連續寫14本 很不容易
黃春明 黃凡 張愛玲 都辦不到
甚至連李敖寫大江大海噱了你 都要40天了!
有了這次的風波 我相信至少又會被寫成一本以上
鄉民的意見 成了九把刀的寫作素材
剪貼之後 加上自己的回應 就是一本了.......
建請板主開放置底文大怒灌
鄉民要很生氣的推 很生氣的噓 都可以
不要再讓"這些年"相關文章洗版了
君不見 Giddens幾乎都只回應那些讚美的文章?
對於質疑和挑戰的文章 一律無視
這不是負責任的電影版鄉民
先前運用電影版鄉民身分不斷發文宣傳製作歷程
現在面對挑戰 卻射後不理 說得過去嗎?
--
我的如意郎君是個蓋世英雄,
有一天他會身穿金甲聖衣,
腳踏七色雲彩來迎娶我。
......我猜中了前頭,卻猜不著這結局。
--
→ payeah:這篇...也幾乎沒關係了= = 08/16 19:34
→ furbyyeh:物以類聚阿 何必置底 沒必要不值得 08/16 19:35
推 frank123ya:完蛋了啊 你要被迷迷噓了 08/16 19:36
→ ballball520:這個系列文何時才會結束呀!冏rz... 08/16 19:36
推 shryuhuai:想到周杰倫說過我就是屌,不過周董人品比忍犬好太多了 08/16 19:36
→ Bruce9527:我是覺得不會有什麼人冷靜下來理我XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD 08/16 19:37
→ DJY:工讀生 正職人員 兼職人員快來護航 08/16 19:37
推 UCLA0326:工讀生 正職人員 兼職人員快來護航 08/16 19:38
推 evilwyh:九把刀以網路作家自豪 這點我是覺得沒差 誰說一定要主流 08/16 19:38
→ airlow:我也想過置底~不過應該不夠灌吧 08/16 19:38
→ ballball520:不能說的秘密真的是很威~>///<國片台有播一定會看完XD 08/16 19:38
推 vivera: 你別太認真 他不會來了 正忙著宣傳呢 08/16 19:39
推 rbull:他會再自己的撲撲痛罵你們這些人一頓 有讚美的再出來摸頭 08/16 19:40
→ vivera: 而且他說ptt上的行銷文章讓他覺得很新鮮…… 08/16 19:40
→ simply5566:這篇寫得太好了 08/16 19:40
→ simply5566:請各位刀迷們自問 你們都幾歲了 08/16 19:41
推 P690425:刃太新書:那些年我被電影版公幹的日子(熱血~戰鬥~~) 08/16 19:41
推 shryuhuai:崇拜一個表裡不一的人,刀迷也很可悲 08/16 19:41
→ rbull:刀迷都跟他一樣青春的話 那都是30好幾的大人囉 08/16 19:42
推 miracle1215:這篇很有道理!!! 08/16 19:42
推 sohostar:鄉民新書:爆影王-民國一百年國片割喉競戰紀實。 08/16 19:42
→ airlow:他會用很超然的第三者的語氣取笑我們,好像我們在說的是路 08/16 19:42
→ leo6315:他要戰 這邊能戰贏他的有幾個? 問題是戰了然後呢?? 08/16 19:43
→ airlow:人跟他無關似的,最後在加一句我在研究鄉民的反應 08/16 19:43
→ P690425:他在電影版EQ都超高然後回自己噗浪偷罵(轉頭望向法匠版主) 08/16 19:44
推 mikejason38:最好都不要去看那些年,票超難買,不要根想看的搶!! 08/16 19:44
推 DJY:我不覺得你會輸阿 因為他長相要贏很難 08/16 19:44
→ dickyman: 刀大的青春引起很多人的共鳴 不要因為眼紅就亂酸好嗎 08/16 19:44
→ mikejason38:都去看阿信,不然下禮拜票房會被打假的 08/16 19:44
推 shryuhuai:戰九把刀有什麼困難的,他現在有正面回答問題嗎? 08/16 19:44
→ P690425:還說版主寄了篇廢文給他 超有水準的 08/16 19:44
推 nerv88noob:在商言商沒錯 但耍小手段卻要裝正面形象令人不敢恭維 08/16 19:45
→ PePePeace:他要慶功啦 沒空 08/16 19:45
→ chanvin:我是他我也不會想理戰文 忙著宣傳都沒時間了 - - 08/16 19:45
推 mikejason38:明天有楊丞琳會去看~每台SNG一定會到~請鎖定各大台 08/16 19:46
→ chanvin:抓刀迷出來戰還比較可能 本篇推文就有刀迷啊 08/16 19:47
推 hirorei:XDDDDDD 推 08/16 19:47
→ white425:輔導級,12歲以下不能看,12~18歲要家長或師長一起看 08/16 19:48
推 dickyman: 不可否認的事實是 刀大喚醒惹許多七八年級生的赤子之心 08/16 19:48
→ mikejason38:新聞標題[那些年,我們一起追的女孩]打破台灣影史紀錄! 08/16 19:48
推 evilwyh:那些人就愛跳針 永遠不會回應重點 08/16 19:48
推 maskzero:中肯 轉貼 teacher 版 若有侵權 煩請告知 *^^y 08/16 19:48
※ maskzero:轉錄至看板 Teacher 08/16 19:48 推 OrzJ:推 08/16 19:49
→ white425:這是一部給18歲以上的人回憶自己的青春,關老師上課何事 08/16 19:49
→ maskzero:樓上 那可能要註明一下 18歲以上觀賞囉? 不會吧? 08/16 19:50
→ white425:這部片都告訴你輔導級了不是註明是什麼= = 08/16 19:51
推 NICKSHOW:還要請觀影者用男性角度去看 08/16 19:51
→ white425:請去查輔導級的定義 08/16 19:51
推 abc00067:認同 但還是想看電影 08/16 19:51
→ airlow:他的意思是怕老師上課發現「幹!後面那排手一直在抽動!」 08/16 19:52
→ airlow:這部電影明明國高中生一堆跑去看 = = 說啥18歲呀 08/16 19:52
推 dreamyello:八卦版反指標~~~ 疑? 走錯了 08/16 19:53
→ chanvin:mikejason38好high喲 有插股齁~ 08/16 19:53
→ white425:a大,不是我想護航,國高中生一堆跑去看輔導級的電影 08/16 19:55
→ james732:我只想說...這篇文章完全沒提到電影內容耶 08/16 19:55
→ white425:請問是電影的問題還是國高中生的問題 08/16 19:55
推 evaras:惹你個頭 七八年級的赤子之心就是打錯字? 08/16 19:56
推 linyap:恩~18歲以上依舊幼稚到不行的男性很適合本片 08/16 19:56
推 fivehao:推 08/16 19:56
→ nerv88noob:電影院的問題(誤) 08/16 19:56
→ Bruce9527:給james732 我評論的不就是電影劇本的內容??? 08/16 19:57
噓 sdfsonic:閱 08/16 19:58
→ Skabo:發這種童子軍文的人 還蠻想看看生活中帶什麼樣的假面具~ 08/16 19:58
推 QWE55874:確實是拍給國高中生看的電影, 08/16 19:58
推 doxo50:幹只能推 08/16 19:59
→ shryuhuai:至少不是熱血的假面具 08/16 19:59
推 weiwei1117:推 08/16 19:59
推 Hitotsubashi:此帖會火 留名 08/16 20:02
推 therock0809:推 08/16 20:04
推 rick0214:這篇也是嘴砲 08/16 20:06
推 juneday:推 Giddens幾乎都只回應那些讚美的文章 還頭推咧!XD 08/16 20:06
推 fukobe:這篇其實算清流...可惜刃大不回的機率超過9成... 08/16 20:07
→ fukobe:然後這次事件的確很有可能被他放入書或blog中.然後再加上.. 08/16 20:08
→ fukobe:"熱血怎麼可能是酸民可以澆熄的,就是要戰鬥"之類的話..=.= 08/16 20:08
推 weiwei1117:還很會回噗浪取暖 08/16 20:09
→ airlow:會有類似被取笑的才值得實現,被反對的才必須堅持一類的吧~ 08/16 20:10
噓 nightmare08:這篇跟電影版有什麼關係... 08/16 20:10
→ nightmare08:還是說這邊是Anti-Giddens 板 ? 08/16 20:11
推 furbyyeh:有差嗎?錢賺到口袋裡才是真的 08/16 20:11
推 n91324:哈哈哈 現在電影版刀迷和反刀迷越來越多分不清出囉~~ 08/16 20:12
推 rjrsaxiwao:推 08/16 20:13
→ airlow:身為電影版友,無間道一下也是很合理的 08/16 20:14
推 james732:我是刀迷,我也同意你對九把刀的評論,但這篇放在"電影" 08/16 20:14
→ james732:板真的很奇怪... 08/16 20:14
推 kenco:偶而賣弄熱血還OK....常掛在嘴上反而顯的沒什麼內涵才需如此 08/16 20:15
→ airlow:樓上...講電影劇本,講電影行銷,放電影版有啥奇怪?我不懂 08/16 20:15
→ james732:劇本說九把刀這個人幼稚無恥,行銷說九把刀這個人嘩眾取寵 08/16 20:17
推 wksie:認同 08/16 20:17
→ james732:看起來像是對人不對事 08/16 20:18
推 l2l2l2l2ll2:我覺得好看就好了啊 不爽就別看啊 08/16 20:18
→ canonring151:對九把刀無感 但在這邊討論的意義在哪......... 08/16 20:18
→ james732:要強調我是同意你的觀點,如果貼在反九把刀板我會推到爆 08/16 20:18
推 rea1:這篇放HATE毫無違和感 08/16 20:19
→ pen013:討論到後來都在人身攻擊,罵人無腦不會顯得自己比較高尚 08/16 20:19
→ james732:不過我看不出哪裡是針對這部電影、以及電影相關行銷討論 08/16 20:19
噓 ourlun:不喜歡九把刀可以去八卦版、黑特版,為什麼要弄亂電影版? 08/16 20:20
推 airlow:其實是電影版先被弄亂了才有這篇好不好 XD 08/16 20:20
→ james732:既沒有訂50個披蕯之類的劇情,一年14本書也非為電影行銷 08/16 20:21
→ pen013:這篇我看只是火上加油.. 08/16 20:21
推 stuiroov:原來 戰九把刀=弄亂電影板 科科 08/16 20:22
→ james732:電影板的功能本來就跟戰九把刀沒關係了... 08/16 20:23
噓 season002: 08/16 20:24
→ pen013:重點是戰到後來只是鬼打牆重複一樣的觀點....兩邊都一樣 08/16 20:25
→ pen013:一樣的東西一直出現在好幾篇,沒啥意義 08/16 20:25
→ james732:如果跟電影內容或行銷有關也就算了,這篇看起來只在罵人 08/16 20:26
推 shinshong:九把刀的銷售量跟寫作分量有比黃春明高嗎? 08/16 20:27
推 Isir:good 08/16 20:27
推 jojoRush:咦~戰文不會弄亂版面嗎?? 08/16 20:28
→ hanarain:兩邊同批人同樣論點真的鬼打牆... 08/16 20:28
推 shryuhuai:刀迷不就狂跳針嗎 08/16 20:29
→ gjo:因為有一邊狂挑針 不針對行銷手法與道義觀點回應 鬼扯票房 08/16 20:31
→ pen013:九把刀是好人還是小人又如何.. 吵贏是要抵制他電影的意思嗎 08/16 20:31
噓 ourlun:兩邊都很跳針... 08/16 20:32
→ chanvin:刀迷=黑人迷了 08/16 20:32
→ hanarain:路人看來兩邊都一樣啦 08/16 20:32
噓 nthomas:你這篇文章又跟電影版何干? 兩邊都一樣爛啦 08/16 20:33
推 maskzero:不會啦 電影版這樣才熱鬧啦 老闆 我要雞排 珍奶去冰~~ 08/16 20:33
推 ponguy:兩邊一樣爛 同意在商言商 中間書迷 08/16 20:33
→ james732:我只想說這裡是電影板,單純想罵九把刀,至少有吐槽板 08/16 20:35
推 psychepsyche:推推~~:) 08/16 20:35
→ pen013:而且有不少見縫插針,或是非我族類就是敵人的意見出現 08/16 20:35
推 frog1104ya:只能推了,中肯好文 08/16 20:36
→ longtree:我覺得模仿這塊有爭議 還是續推【18289理直氣和懶人包】 08/16 20:36
→ pen013:越看越像八卦版的言論,吵贏真的又怎樣咧... 08/16 20:36
→ frog1104ya:刀迷真的很沒水準= = 08/16 20:36
噓 tripleh917:純黑特文 負雷? 08/16 20:37
推 maskzero:刀 是銳利的 要慎用啊 (遠目) 遑論九把刀 (遠目) 08/16 20:38
→ ppqqwweerr88:兩邊都爛 不知道發這種文的意義在哪 只是想吵架而已 08/16 20:39
→ chanvin:不都是板標 翻滾吧!戰力四射.電.影.板. 鼓勵的嗎? 08/16 20:41
推 longtree:不是耶 如果注意文章日期 會發現還沒換板標就戰力四射了~ 08/16 20:43
→ chanvin:對阿 所以換了後 不就是對這樣的現象持鼓勵的態度嗎 08/16 20:45
推 rbull:之前放女孩版標 都被刃太罵成法匠了 放現在這剛好 08/16 20:45
推 alaskatomato:推~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 08/16 20:45
推 frog1104ya:戰力四射...這根本一面倒阿 刀迷根本拿不出什麼站的住 08/16 20:46
→ frog1104ya:腳的東西,只會一直跳針 08/16 20:46
→ pfory:大家都愛刀大,那些批抨的都是些網路小螞蟻而已 謝謝你,刀大 08/16 20:46
→ frog1104ya:要不是刀大我還從未見過電影版這樣^^"謝謝你,刀大 08/16 20:47
→ chanvin:不會阿 會貼 [新聞] 那些年口碑佳 3天票房破千萬 08/16 20:47
推 rbull:他是BBS有史以來第一人 將版改造成感謝季現場 08/16 20:48
推 liberals:推,只會在這宣傳,不敢回應質疑。 08/16 20:50
→ zsquarez:基本上沒必要去喜歡打算不喜歡你的人..回酸文沒啥好處 08/16 20:53
→ zsquarez:回了酸文,會被說炒新聞,贏了又如何?討厭他的就會變少? 08/16 20:54
→ zsquarez:如果你是店家,人家嫌你難吃,你會去爭論? 08/16 20:54
→ zsquarez:還是就只關照那些第一次來,或是老客人? 08/16 20:55
推 frog1104ya:重點不是難不難吃吧,對他這種難看的做法難道不用回應? 08/16 20:55
→ james732:這裡的文還不是嫌難吃,是連吃都沒吃過就嫌老板無恥... 08/16 20:55
→ zsquarez:而且反串文這麼多,酸文這麼多..回了一篇還有千千萬萬篇 08/16 20:55
推 MPSSC:熱血??自私和幼稚叫熱血?? 08/16 20:56
→ airlow:你送菜把手指插到湯裡面我還要吃了以後才能罵嘛? 08/16 20:56
→ frog1104ya:可是他半篇都沒回欸>_< 08/16 20:56
→ MPSSC:真正的熱血 請參考洛基第一集 08/16 20:56
→ zsquarez:只要回了一篇,其他篇就會放嘲諷..批評的就不算你的客人? 08/16 20:56
→ MPSSC:他自己在自己噗浪回的可高興的 08/16 20:56
→ james732:美食板看到大罵老闆幼稚無恥的文章不是很奇怪嗎... 08/16 20:56
→ ups:有一部份是這樣沒錯 08/16 20:57
→ zsquarez:然後就會開始刀迷自慰文,刃犬商業化~自私~幼稚~騙錢~ 08/16 20:57
→ zsquarez:他本身就是很商業化,賠錢生意沒人想做,畢竟也砸下身家 08/16 20:58
→ zsquarez:講完又開始有人回,沒道德。這是很矛盾的..大家都想賺錢 08/16 20:59
推 frog1104ya:所以就要用這種手段,好吧 我懂了 08/16 21:00
→ zsquarez:哪個想做生意像做善事的? 少回點戰文酸文依舊能賺錢 08/16 21:00
→ james732:在美食板大罵爛店的文章,哪篇文章會看到老闆上來回? 08/16 21:01
→ zsquarez:大家都看的出來"那些年"婊"阿信"婊很大,但又如何? 08/16 21:01
→ frog1104ya:看來你講到重點了@@他能賺到錢就好 08/16 21:01
推 shryuhuai:人前手牽手,背後下毒手 08/16 21:01
推 MPSSC:老實說 姑且不論沈正不正(google到的照片不錯啦 中上氣質美 08/16 21:02
→ frog1104ya:Z大你放大絕了... 08/16 21:02
→ MPSSC:人) 她當年沒選擇他真的是對的 08/16 21:02
→ zsquarez:怎一堆人還是講來講去還是講道義..雖然這是做人基礎.. 08/16 21:02
→ zsquarez:囧..我的絕招..在哪.. 08/16 21:03
→ frog1104ya:所以一個一直講求熱血、愛的人最後卻是在商言商 08/16 21:03
→ shryuhuai:道德才有討論空間啊,你犯法就直接抓了好嗎? 08/16 21:03
→ MPSSC:是阿 既然是熱血的人怎麼說他腦子裡都是商業算計呢 08/16 21:04
噓 jojomickey2:同意,不過你可以不用po這一篇這他炒新聞,中了他的計 08/16 21:04
→ zsquarez:我只能說票房顯示一切,只有賺錢的是贏家,反正沒犯法... 08/16 21:05
推 sleepyrat:放那麼多負面情緒在PTT,還不如開開心心去看阿信!!! 08/16 21:05
→ james732:我很喜歡阿信,也不認同口碑場搶票房,但不見得是九把刀 08/16 21:05
→ james732:所授意的吧... 08/16 21:06
→ zsquarez:我覺得拍片確實是夢想,但賺錢滿足的是另一個夢想 08/16 21:06
→ sleepyrat:這詭計,中都中了,留一口氣在,下次小心點,罩子放亮點 08/16 21:06
噓 apmax:這邊跟電影版有什麼關係? 08/16 21:06
→ zsquarez:這邊不是導演商不商業化有沒有良心的道德討論板嗎? 08/16 21:07
→ zsquarez:在這邊酸老半天,替阿信打抱不平的,都不會獲得什麼 08/16 21:08
→ zsquarez:丸犬不會失去什麼,因為討厭他的人,不會看他的書、電影 08/16 21:09
→ zsquarez:但是他會賺到版面獲得人氣 Y 08/16 21:09
推 k2554066:我也想像他靠嘴炮賺錢... 08/16 21:10
→ lazarus1121:真的...賺中二的錢真的很穩...就算爸媽多討厭他 08/16 21:10
→ airlow:樓上,我們現在是在影響中間游離票 08/16 21:10
推 poan2600:一天到晚熱血來熱血去的,看的都煩了! 08/16 21:11
推 petershao:很中肯的分析 08/16 21:11
→ lazarus1121:家裡小鬼要看還不是只能乖乖掏錢陪他進去看 08/16 21:11
推 maskzero:如果能在家坐著賺錢 其實真的很令人羨慕啊(遠目) 08/16 21:13
推 wwekof:自己有什麼想法套在自己身上就好啦? 試圖去影響別人很累的 08/16 21:16
→ wwekof:況且小說裡九刀其實也沒掩蓋自己的奸詐 只是他很理直氣壯 08/16 21:17
→ maskzero:對啊 所以我覺在商言商 其實他沒錯 這世界只存在兩種人 08/16 21:18
→ maskzero:一種是成功的人 一種是失敗的人 08/16 21:19
推 Luluandlulu:炒新聞+1 08/16 21:23
→ lucifiel1618:在商言商個頭,當商人沒有商業道德還言甚麼商 08/16 21:26
→ lucifiel1618:賺這種黑心錢還有人為他護航真是沒天理了 08/16 21:27
推 crysdaisy:台灣人被老闆壓榨的時候心裡應該都很不爽 怎麼事情出在 08/16 21:27
→ lucifiel1618:不立法禁止這種惡性競爭,哪天台灣電影市場就被搞垮 08/16 21:28
→ lucifiel1618:了也說不定 08/16 21:29
→ crysdaisy:別人身上就在商言商了 08/16 21:29
→ crysdaisy:樓上說得好 把國片的餅砸壞了 對台灣電影人沒好處 外商 08/16 21:30
→ crysdaisy:跟非電影人沒什麼差 08/16 21:31
推 j126:說黑心錢實在是有點無限上綱過了頭 又不是在你要買阿信票的同 08/16 21:31
→ maskzero:嗯 這世界 成功的人永遠才有發言權啊 ╮(╯▽╰)╭ 08/16 21:32
→ j126:時跟你說女孩比較好看 不要看阿信 大家都有選擇的自由意志 08/16 21:32
→ airlow:是不到黑心錢啦~畢竟這件事的本質是商人間的廝殺,對觀眾影 08/16 21:32
→ j126:充其量只能說行銷策略讓人不激賞 但要說是黑心 實在偏激了 08/16 21:32
推 maskzero:沒有人會批評郭台銘不擇手段 只有人嘆息失業無人管啊 08/16 21:33
→ airlow:響沒有到黑心錢的地步 08/16 21:33
→ Bruce9527:本來大家都會盡量買票進場支持國片 以後也許會保留些吧 08/16 21:34
→ lucifiel1618:低價競銷和壟斷市場也只是一種行銷策略,可是禍害的 08/16 21:34
推 hydra6716:一樣沒討論電影 只要吐槽九把刀大家就會支持呢! 08/16 21:34
→ lucifiel1618:人不計其數,所以才要立法限制。一句行銷策略就想混 08/16 21:36
→ lucifiel1618:過去,你也想得太簡單了吧。 08/16 21:36
推 j126:跳遠了你 低價競銷和壟斷市場跟這次行銷有什麼關係 舉例失當 08/16 21:37
→ lucifiel1618:怎麼沒有關係,一樣黑心啊 08/16 21:38
→ lucifiel1618:該遵守的遊戲規則不遵守,搞甚麼口碑場來陰別的業者 08/16 21:39
→ lucifiel1618:這怎麼不黑心 08/16 21:39
推 j126:無限上綱 殺一百個人跟紅燈右轉你會視為等罪嗎 08/16 21:39
→ j126:這不叫該遵守的遊戲規則 充其量只能說是潛規則 08/16 21:41
→ lucifiel1618:對啊,反正在商言商嘛。紅燈右轉這種小事我們就別計 08/16 21:41
→ j126:就跟棒球比賽領先十分的球隊能不能盜壘是一樣的 08/16 21:41
→ lucifiel1618:較了,反正遊戲規則都是為別人訂的,我不用遵守。 08/16 21:42
推 ilikecosette:你戳到噓的人的點了 小聲點 他們自尊很容易受傷的 08/16 21:42
推 maskzero:龐青雲 to 姜午揚 :「兵不厭詐,這是戰爭!!!」 08/16 21:43
推 justdoit:電影版會一路戰到何時呢XDDDD 08/16 21:44
→ j126:你還是不懂 什麼叫做無限上綱 算了 你開心就好 不跟你辯了 08/16 21:45
推 suckmanisme:推 08/16 21:46
推 dcj86t6:九把刀我沒什麼印象,但是刀迷惹人厭,所以本人應該也一樣 08/16 21:47
推 sohostar:J126大來替大家指點迷津,大家要洗耳恭聽。 ^^ 08/16 21:51
→ sohostar:有了 J 大,這篇爆得可能性很高。 08/16 21:52
推 wayhone:同意! 08/16 21:55
推 j126:唉 s大就這麼喜歡把電影版搞得烏煙瘴氣? 好吧 舉個極端的例子 08/16 22:01
推 longtree:又失焦了 跳一下 再推【中肯說理文18289】 08/16 22:02
→ j126:今天你走進7-11買了一個鋁箔包的飲料 走出店門後邊走邊喝 08/16 22:03
→ j126:吸管的套子飄飄飄的飄到地上 這時候馬上跳出兩三個人出來 08/16 22:04
→ j126:說你亂丟垃圾 破壞市容 你該死 無恥 整個城市因為你變得墮落 08/16 22:05
推 sohostar:(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ 08/16 22:05
→ j126:這時候你的反應是? A.阿~我不可原諒 我希望我來世是個食蟻獸 08/16 22:06
→ j126:B.這有這麼嚴重嗎......= = 08/16 22:06
→ j126:你的反應是? 希望這個例子你能懂我想表達的 雖然極端點就是了 08/16 22:07
→ Bruce9527:但是他還說我偏不撿 而且拍成電影覺得很神氣 08/16 22:07
→ sohostar:無論如何,還是謝謝 J 大的開示。 08/16 22:08
→ sohostar:總覺得版主有推廣抽菸的嫌疑。(  ̄ c ̄)y▂ξ 08/16 22:09
推 felixgene:感覺原po有點把事情講得太嚴重了..... 08/16 22:13
推 aliylsh:刃太挑文章回非常明顯 08/16 22:16
噓 QQron:我也覺得不是很好看 可是你這文章太偏頗了 酸酸又要高潮了 08/16 22:17
推 Pharaoh5566:你怎麼可以這麼中肯... 08/16 22:18
推 circus0121:中肯推 08/16 22:19
推 b9862221:我覺得只是偏向教育工作者的論點, 就像刀迷偏向支持刀大 08/16 22:20
推 Luluandlulu:嗯嗯~ 08/16 22:20
→ b9862221:論點不同但也是有很多講得很有道理的地方 08/16 22:21
→ arrakis:這篇應該去..嗯...恨板。 08/16 22:22
推 Pharaoh5566:很多人小時候都幼稚過 但長大了就該成熟了 08/16 22:23
→ Pharaoh5566:站在中學生觀點的某人 不是本身還幼稚 就是譁眾取寵 08/16 22:25
推 know12345:中肯! 08/16 22:27
推 Yorktown:讚! 08/16 22:29
推 phxcon:同感, 推一個 08/16 22:30
推 mixlatea:推 08/16 22:30
推 t11437:中肯推 08/16 22:32
→ rmxtpc:說穿了 感覺你也只是想吸引九把刀的注意 讓他來回覆你吧... 08/16 22:34
→ sohostar:快爆了。 08/16 22:37
推 frog1104ya:r大論點真有趣 08/16 22:39
推 evilwyh:根據九刀噗浪的發文 應該盡量不會在PTT回覆 要的話也是現 08/16 22:39
→ evilwyh:實中找李烈聊天談心事┐(─_─)┌ 08/16 22:40
推 sohostar:人生不是不斷的戰鬥?怎麼退兵啦? 08/16 22:42
推 MPSSC:說實話 我還覺得朱學恆某方面來講作的事真的才叫有意義叫熱 08/16 22:45
→ MPSSC:血 08/16 22:45
→ Bruce9527:特別是翻譯外語課程 08/16 22:46
→ chanvin:朱大一定有在看討論串 好奇他對這件事的看法 顆顆 08/16 22:48
推 kiki41052:推XD 08/16 22:51
推 sohostar:找李烈談是高招,但要怎麼談?一樣說謝謝嗎? 08/16 22:51
推 MPSSC:朱大有發文在部落格了XD 08/16 22:53
推 longtree:我很想去有映後座談的場次 問李烈對這件事的看法 08/16 22:55
→ longtree:可惜想到的太晚 明天有映後的場次到台南了 XD 08/16 22:55
推 KingKingCold:推 08/16 22:58
→ Bruce9527:朱學恆很挺他啊~~ 08/16 22:58
推 yuhung:那個....貝西卜愛吃的東西,是.....便便耶 >"< 08/16 22:58
→ airlow:別直接問啦~她當眾怎麼回答呀? XD 08/16 22:59
→ yuhung:因為貝西卜的本尊是蒼蠅(那個偽裝成企鵝的樣子只是詐欺XD) 08/16 22:59
推 evilwyh:朱學恆那篇超好笑XD 真的很挺他~~~~ 08/16 22:59
推 oopsmamamiya: 08/16 23:00
推 great1:推"刀大也這樣啊...老師不懂年輕人的想法啦"太沉迷很恐怖的 08/16 23:00
推 longtree:如果九把刀真的去找李烈談心 還發文 李烈不如先發制人 08/16 23:05
→ longtree:一直挨揍不出聲也很悶 但我覺得李烈應該不會這樣做 XD 08/16 23:06
推 sohostar:這種事應該要由善意第三人發聲,但很少人蹚渾水。 08/16 23:07
→ sohostar:在九把刀還在版上打游擊時,看到他我也只是點到為止。 08/16 23:08
推 jacky840816:大推阿 看到他一直發無關緊要的文也越看越不爽 08/16 23:09
推 jabawock:推~ 08/16 23:12
推 thegod13: 時間的洪流會沖走沒有重量的人 08/16 23:13
→ charmgirl:昨天就看到您PO文,那篇還不錯,不過今天這篇跟電影的關 08/16 23:17
→ charmgirl:係是什麼?我好像在看反九把刀板,這部片有那麼嚴重? 08/16 23:17
→ charmgirl:所以現在電影板可以發跟電影無關的文了嗎? 08/16 23:18
→ Bruce9527:我討論電影劇本和行銷手法啊 08/16 23:19
噓 IE9434xx:笑A 08/16 23:19
→ charmgirl:說實話我現在回去翻九把刀的發文是覺得也太多了點,對電 08/16 23:20
推 jabawock:補血 08/16 23:20
→ charmgirl:影板來講還滿新鮮啦,就是量太大。不過這篇感覺很對人不 08/16 23:20
→ charmgirl:事...是說九把刀宣傳自己也沒錯,只是不要太過了(嘆) 08/16 23:22
推 jerry50411:有理有同感 08/16 23:23
推 fallish:宣傳可以 但是太超過真的會讓人很煩... 08/16 23:24
推 ssis:本來就沒有回酸文的必要,支持的還是支持,討厭的仍然討厭 08/16 23:25
→ fallish:本來想去看 現在不管朋友說多好看都提不起興致 08/16 23:25
推 sohostar:一路看九把刀左拱巴萊右捧阿信,是非對錯有點詭異。 08/16 23:25
推 ChrisBear:第一天認識九把刀嗎XDDD 08/16 23:26
噓 ouso:走錯版了吧 要人身攻擊去黑特版啊 08/16 23:29
推 sohostar:人身攻擊!有這種嚴重?那謝謝刃太好了。 08/16 23:34
→ Bruce9527:我批評的是劇本和行銷 請別誤會 08/16 23:34
推 gn01737500:好聞步推嗎 08/16 23:36
推 frog1104ya:刀迷一看到反刀就高潮 顆顆 08/16 23:37
→ encorej77107:睜眼說瞎話? 08/16 23:37
推 bomb5O55:推 說得太好了 就在那邊自high阿 08/16 23:44
→ bomb5O55:然後又一堆無腦人要學電影上的情節 08/16 23:45
推 nightcrawler:中肯推!!! 08/16 23:56
推 xholmes:同意本篇對劇本的見解。可預想會有很多年輕人群起效尤。 08/16 23:58
→ xholmes:現在國高中生已經夠難管了,這片又給他們藉口搞怪。 08/16 23:58
推 sbreezer:同感 不知道這些中二行為拍成電影是有多了不起 08/17 00:00
→ linfon00:宣傳很成功 08/17 00:02
推 fantasyeagle:中肯推!!!!!!!!!!!!! 08/17 00:04
推 BlueString:一針見血 讚 08/17 00:13
推 lwowl:中肯推 我原本也對九把刀沒啥意見...他書也看了不少 08/17 00:28
→ lwowl:但真的客觀來說 就還好...有很多進步空間 08/17 00:28
推 seo4327:幹 我覺得你超中肯的 08/17 00:31
推 hank0716:推阿 這片我一定上PPS去看 看了都煩死了 08/17 00:40
推 vendor:我 就 是 討 厭 九 把 刀,你很中肯大推啦 08/17 00:41
推 zincs:中肯推!!! 08/17 01:21
推 hnrywang:什麼人有什麼樣的粉絲拉 08/17 01:21
推 railrail:對於沒品的人,你說他沒品,他還會高興回你說,我真夠屌 08/17 01:50
推 mwoe:很贊同你 08/17 01:58
推 OHIYOLA:中肯 08/17 02:09
推 ninaan:推 08/17 03:15
推 xup654vu06:完全說出我心中的感想~讚!!!!! 08/17 03:17
推 j20006640:大推 08/17 04:34
推 rolyne:中肯 08/17 07:11
噓 xiaoyu:值不值你說了算? 08/17 08:41
推 pomyopnion:譁眾! 嗯 就是這個詞 08/17 09:00
→ cloud72426:講的非常好 但是po在電影板只能給箭頭 08/17 09:14
推 opensecret:同感 推 08/17 09:41
推 yomi228:看完結論...似乎不管到幾歲都很幼稚 08/17 09:41
推 geojs:中肯~推!! 08/17 10:36
→ panda0606:我不是刀迷,只看過殺手,但是支持一下國片也沒什麼不好~ 08/17 11:01
→ yuyuegg:這篇有夠偏頗 08/17 11:13
推 ko2042002:這篇有夠中肯 九把刀本人來回應一下阿 照刀迷的說法 熱 08/17 11:42
→ ko2042002:血呢敢做呢?回應一下別人的意見不是難事吧 08/17 11:43
推 Fortius:好文 不M嗎? 08/17 12:29
噓 msn10022:反正人紅了就是會討噓 08/17 13:05
噓 Savior92061:閱 08/17 13:16
推 giveme5566:我手指不自覺地按到1 08/17 13:37
推 resolmai:爆!! 08/17 13:52
推 Aphrodite19:推 08/17 15:28
推 shawncarter:推 08/17 16:29
推 ockpa429:負雷好文:)) 08/17 16:38
噓 superlight1:內文贊同 但是回負雷文只會起爭端 08/17 16:45
推 noea:推 08/17 16:49
推 blbl1823:中肯 親衛隊出現 08/17 17:21
推 Bonescythe:版主應該M一下 不然才是法匠 08/17 22:00
推 Yie: 08/17 23:34
推 powerhippo:推阿~~純噓九把刀 08/18 00:49
推 gh34163:釣出一堆盲目的刃迷 08/18 03:23
推 peter694:讚 08/18 09:52
推 ironkyoater:打手槍預告片叫做大人不懂?有時候刀大真是死不認錯 08/18 11:01
噓 xung86:純噓原po想當超級正義。 你沒幼稚過嗎????? 08/18 12:23
推 Fortius:他都說有了 你沒看完過嗎????? 08/18 12:47
※ 編輯: Bruce9527 來自: 111.240.69.129 (08/18 13:12) 推 pan7775:推 08/18 14:41
推 kungfutofu:護駕 刀迷快點想辦法反攻!!! 08/18 21:02
推 INCAS777:推32歲的人有著12歲的觀點... 08/18 23:05
噓 frank88:感覺偏頗過頭了 08/19 01:21
推 qrwtey:太中肯了 迷迷無法接受 08/19 01:23
推 hsiehfat:推這篇,誰沒有白目過誰沒有中二過 08/19 08:23
→ hsiehfat:只是當年紀漸長,應該知道分寸,孰可為孰不可為 08/19 08:24
→ hsiehfat:我從來沒有看過九把刀的書,如果書的內容就像電影這樣 08/19 08:25
→ hsiehfat:那我也不會想看,我想九把刀也不缺我這個理性的書迷。 08/19 08:25
推 winnieme:老灰阿推!!! 08/19 10:51
噓 AInnor:如果對每個反對他的人都要解釋 人還活得下去嗎? 成熟點吧 08/19 18:23
推 c3oc3o:只能推了 標準來作宣傳的 08/19 19:26
推 ankala:刀大敢回負雷就不是刀大了 體諒一下 08/20 00:30
推 rainHime:贊同原po的觀點 但是這種明顯針對某一個人的文章不應該po 08/20 00:41
→ rainHime:在電影板.. 看你是要投書社論還是那裡都好 08/20 00:42
推 shiaowei:大推~真的是教壞小孩 08/20 03:28
推 swish123:真難分辨反串跟刀迷 08/20 22:34
噓 xupmtp851:一百種人的生活方式都要問過你嗎? 08/21 00:51
噓 Dsman:這樣就教壞小孩 那一堆戰鬥卡通拜託收一收........... 08/21 09:53
推 changrabbit:中肯推 08/21 20:13
噓 bamboo313:.............. 08/23 02:08
推 dogherO:幫爆 08/23 20:15
推 quaketw:推 09/05 02:21
推 newgoodman24:超中肯 12/05 08:35
→ nbuadmin:不認同 04/30 02:11
推 lovefordidi:推,九把刀只是"網路作家" 10/08 21:38
推 rockrockwolf:推 中二 01/26 15:56
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