8/17《那些年,我們一起追的女孩》慶功 … - 電影
By Poppy
at 2011-08-17T11:34
at 2011-08-17T11:34
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本篇是針對前面L大的爆文做的回覆。
開宗明義的說一下,
九把刀背後的電影公司此舉,先不論是否真有陰謀陽謀什麼鬼的,
某種程度上已經理虧,更是給有心人士拿來做文章的最好藉口,
現在阿信票房好,酸民可以說「明明就可以更好」
要是阿信票房差,酸民就說「看看這就是被那些年打壓的後果」
怎麼樣說都是九把刀錯,可以說是欲加之罪何患無辭。
在版上討論氣氛之熱烈,也是因為九把刀深入各大自己原本就熟悉的網路媒體,
看到某些推文寫著「九把刀還不快來回這篇文章」,就知道這種文章是衝著九把刀來,
你看變形金剛罵他爛片會要麥可貝親自來跟你道歉嗎?
最扯的是連九把刀上版來跟大家分享創作歷程,這種沒有導演做過的事情,
也有人會特地抓出來質疑是九把刀利用電影版作為特定宣傳工具......
請問如果是諾蘭來跟大家講自己創作黑暗騎士的過程,你會覺得他是利用電影版嗎?
說穿了,國片互鬥是假議題,若在數年前海角七號上檔前,
國片互鬥這種狀況是可能存在的,但現在的觀眾們是否把國片當國片,
還是將國片與其他電影以同等地位看待,我認為有待商榷,
「艋舺」全台票房兩億六千萬,「父後七日」全台四千萬以上,
「命運化妝師」全台票房兩千萬,「殺手歐陽盆栽」全台票房目前全台四千萬左右,
你拿著這些數字去跟海角七號那段時期的國片電影導演說,是會被笑的,
現在的觀眾是否純粹只是抱著「支持國片」的心態進戲院,值得質疑,
題材的突破、對大牌影歌星(如隨棠、蕭敬騰、阮經天...等)的大膽聘用,
某種程度上影響了觀眾的選擇,是不是國片根本不重要。
今天把戰場畫在國片裡面,我覺得對每一個導演都是輕視,
魏德聖早就不把眼界放在國片這一塊而已了,他要做的就是電影,沒分什麼國不國片,
抱持著國片就是柔弱書生需要小心呵護的想法,早就過時了。
※ 引述《lavieboheme (消失在迴轉的路口)》之銘言:
: 口碑場的問題何在,之前推文戰過不下數百回合
: 重新整理幾個爭執點,以及"那些年"提前一周全面舉辦口碑場對"阿信"的衝擊何在:
: 1.媒體宣傳效應:
: 之前板友shryuhuai對於上片前喬檔期與宣傳行程固定已經講得很清楚了,
: 就實際數據來看:
: 根據google新聞,若精確搜尋"那些年,我們一起追的女孩"
: 過去一個月新聞共78篇,過去一周就佔了50篇,
: 提前一周上映的策略,加上見面會、特映等密集活動宣傳,明顯有使其增加曝光。
: (網路新聞恐怕還沒那麼明顯,但平面與廣電媒體版面與時段有限,
: 而且跑電影線的記者就那幾位,阿信的新聞曝光恐怕又會被排擠掉一些。)
: 此般的媒體效益,在PTT電影板上等網路論壇發酵得更明顯。
: 以本板為例,自8/12計算截止,
: "那些年"的好雷及相關討論文章共186篇
: "阿信"只有77篇,版面與氣勢有受排擠自然不言而喻,
: 就算"那些年"的影迷不一定會去看"阿信",卻也沖淡該片集中發送口碑的好雷氛圍,
: 減低了消費者期待,及進戲院觀賞以加入討論風潮的誘因。
您表示新聞的統計是至8/12計算截止,而且您還把「相關討論文章」一起算進去,
這些相關討論文章中有多少是包含像這樣跟電影內容幾乎無關的分析、討論?
這樣的數據呈現不只單面向,也有誤導讀者的可能,
更可能倒果為因,將討論「那些年是否沖淡阿信宣傳」的文章增加一事
作為電影版上「那些年」沖淡「阿信」宣傳的理由,
但您很辛苦的統計,我相信這只是一個舉證上的失誤。
: 2.後續廳數與場次走勢:
: 首週票房受波及,勢必影響到後續廳數消長,影響整體票房甚鉅,
: 根據開眼,目前"阿信"廳數54,到星期五被砍多少就知道影響有多少了。
: "那些年"目前62廳(前幾天好像更多),這週正式上映應該至少不減。
本週上映強檔「絕命終結站5」,熱播數年基本盤影迷少說票房數千萬,
這部片上來會不會影響阿信,相信大家心裡有數,
然而您刻意忽略其他電影的上映狀況,只將廳數和場次侷限在「那些年」的影響上,
讓我想到一個笑話,某鄰近鐵軌的小鎮調查生育率遠高於其他小鎮,
學者認為鐵軌對生育率會有影響,但其實真相是火車開過去的最早時段把一堆人吵醒,
鎮民們早上沒事幹就作一些床上運動,所以生育率提高。
阿信的廳數如果被抽,可能是那些年的影響,也可能是其他電影的影響,
只把那些年抓出來比較,不夠嚴謹。
: 4.客源重疊:
: 一直有人說這兩部片客源不會重疊,不要對阿信那麼沒信心,
: 儘管這是一個無法用統計實證的東西,但隨便列舉兩片共通因子:
: a. 國片魂 (不可否認,部分學生與藝文族群的確對國片有較高認同)
: b. 青春熱血 (體育熱血 vs. 把妹/格鬥熱血)
: c. 某年齡層的懷舊氣氛 (80年代橫跨90初 vs.90年代中後)
: d. 本土新生代明星 (彭于晏、林辰唏 vs. 陳妍希、柯震東)
: e. 取材自導演真實人生,有相關系列作品 (紀錄片 vs. 小說)
: g. 同性質節目宣傳 (大學生了沒 - 瞄準年輕學生族群
: 小燕之夜 - 分享人生故事與創作理念的感性訴求。)
: ......等等。
: 當然兩者在題材上對各年齡、性別族群的吸引力不盡相同,
: 但的確有相當一部分的重疊,說沒有影響是不可能的。
: (除了我本人在內,身邊也遇過不只一位朋友對這兩片都同時感興趣。)
您自己都說無法用統計實證,又舉出您自己所認定的因子作為共通點,
您這樣主觀認定的共通點是否真的會影響消費者在電影院選擇時的決策,值得商榷,
更何況,在我看來,「阿信」的題材以體操為背景,「那些年」的題材則是以戀愛為主,
前者預告主打「實現夢想」後者主打「奪回青春」,
我也可以說兩者差異很大,客群不會重疊,
我可以以自己觀察到的狀況說那些年的客群一定以大學以下年輕學生為主,
尤其是九把刀的既有書迷,
而阿信的客群一定以大學生以上族群為主,女性族群的可能性又增加(此為新聞內容)
而上面兩推論都是統計實證上可以看得到的東西,直觀的在戲院觀察就能看出,
您身邊遇過不只一位朋友對兩部片同時感興趣,我身邊也不只一位朋友只對一部感興趣,
推論的原因人人會說,只是利用的目的不同。
: 又有人會說,先看A再看B不就好了?
:
: 但同檔期競爭的,不就是消費者有限的時間與荷包嗎?
: 院線片的"新"本來就是此產品的一大訴求,
: 再者"阿信"本週末廳數與場次若因為同業競爭減少,
: 後續消費者選擇的方便性與意願也會降低,對票房當然有影響。
: (還有人說,為什麼不說"那些年"是搶"車2"與"星際飆客"票源?
: 基本上這兩個都是好萊塢娛樂片,一個是主打動畫&親子族群,一個是特效爽片族群,
: 票房衝擊最大的當然還是語言文化、劇情元素最近似的"阿信"。)
前面解釋過了,國片互相衝擊是假議題。
再下來就是大家最喜歡的「恥度問題」了
: 1. 突然宣布提前一周全台上映:
:
: "那些年"不但辦了七夕特映(這還合情合理),
: 後來更突然宣布以六十多廳的全面啟動之姿辦口碑場,而且連發到上映前,
: 每天雖然只有三場,但也都集中在午晚間的好時段。
: 幾乎可說是偷天換日的"提前上映",
: 不論是為了吸票房或是拼口碑站穩腳步,
: 破壞了之前之前喬好的檔期,這樣的作法真符合道義?
: (同性質的大片避免兩敗俱傷通常會喬,
: 人際關係圈密切、片型又近似的本土電影就更不可能不喬了。)
: 事實結果證明,兩片北市票房勢均力敵,
: "那些年"的平均單場票房甚至好上不少,
: 實質上早就超出"口碑場"的原有意義。
: 新聞:《那些年》3天撈1287萬 國片口碑場吸金王
: http://blog.udn.com/beansprout36/5546429
老話題,各位的比較總是會說「那些年」比「阿信」高,
但是憑甚麼阿信一定要比那些年高?今天一部片拍得好,票房不好會有很多因素
因素是哪些上面寫很多了,但是全推給那些年真的是欲加之罪何患無辭,
老說那些年衝著阿信來,但一直把那些年和阿信抓來比的人不是各位嗎?
就問一句,今天如果口碑場票房沒這麼高,大家會不會出來罵發行商?
你反過來想,若是這部片本質很差、沒辦法吸引這麼多人,在口碑場時大家看完了,
首周票房會多悽慘?您自己不也引用表示首周票房很重要嗎?
: 2. 柿子挑軟的吃
: 如果是為了躲魏導的"賽"片,又何苦犧牲"阿信"?
: "那些年"體質不錯又有書迷基本盤撐腰,同期新片只有"絕命終結站"一個敵手。
: "阿信"同期有"星際飆客"、"車2"兩大片,與眾多藝術小片夾殺,
: 要突圍已經不容易,又來"那些年"落井下石,票房衝擊不在話下。
: 3. 說好的一起奮鬥呢?
: 九把刀認不認識"阿信"劇組? 有沒有說好一起奮鬥呢?
: 以下文字引用自九把刀部落格:
: http://www.giddens.tw/blog/post/35301205
: "話說其實整場頒獎典禮,我都在跟林育賢導演互傳簡訊,彼此打氣,
: 後來「翻滾吧!阿信」得獎,我真的很替林導開心。
: 阿信拍得真的很有誠意,實至名歸,很大慰藉了我這邊沒有得獎的心情。
: "巧的是,頒獎典禮後阿信與那些年的慶功宴選擇的店家,竟然是在正對面!
: 所以囉我們吃吃喝喝結束後,我就帶著柯震東與陳妍希到阿信的場子去喝香檳,
: 感染一下阿信劇組的喜氣,莫名其妙的連我自己都變得蠻開心的,
: 我想,這就是電影的魔力吧哈哈哈哈!
: 拍片的人箇中辛苦與快樂,一下子就把大家的距離拉得好近,
: 香檳杯亂敲亂喝亂吆喝,完全就是太歡樂了。
: 真希望八月快點到來,「翻滾吧!阿信」與「那些年,我們一起追的女孩」
: 就可以再度並肩作戰了。"
: 上面這段話我想真心的成份不假,但如今看來卻也有點諷刺。
: 當然商場上只有利益與風險,沒有情義。
: 只是九把刀不厭其煩親自上網路與讀者互動,
: 時常把"熱血"、"愛"、"真心"等字眼掛在嘴邊,
: 無論有意無意,行銷的無非是一種真誠的形象,與單純、理想性的精神。
: 如今這種突襲式、不顧道義與他人死活的發行策略,
: 如某知名影評人所言,是否符合其本人所說的"熱血精神",就留給大家公評了。
發行商的做法,我不予置評,也無法反駁,是對是錯圈內人比較內行。
然而片商和九把刀之間,何者擁有較大的權力可以決定上映方式、宣傳方式等等,
我認為眾多網友都高估了九把刀的決策權,別忘了,他可是第一次拍劇情長片,
什麼宣傳什麼口碑場,我相信他一定這幾個月才第一次聽說,
發行商怎麼決定他有什麼權力去阻止?但是大家只戰九把刀不戰福斯,
明顯是以「阿信好可憐」之名行「我就是賭爛九把刀」之實,
會被這些文章影響的人是否從一開始就不會去看阿信或那些年?
會上網討論這些事情的人,對於電影消費的涉入感本來就比較高,
更別提原本就對九把刀可能有成見的人,會不會本來根本就不會去看,
但是也順著大家的討論說一句「本來想看的現在都不想看了」,
營造出一種好像真的會有影響的錯覺;
而「那些年」是否真的打擊到「阿信」,
這樣的議題討論無非是偏頗而失客觀的討論方式,
如我所說,阿信的敵手不會只有那些年,當絕命終結站也對阿信造成衝擊時,
是否連這一份的影響都會被算在那些年頭上?
更別提w板主明顯涉入本議題太過嚴重的賭盤舉辦,擺明想陷那些年於不義,
電影版被有心人營造出「反九把刀」的氣氛,
與之相比我覺得R板主做事公私分明,板主高度當下立見。
對於本議題我的意見僅至於此,不再多作回覆,底下開放插劍補刀噓文說我是刃犬迷。
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開宗明義的說一下,
九把刀背後的電影公司此舉,先不論是否真有陰謀陽謀什麼鬼的,
某種程度上已經理虧,更是給有心人士拿來做文章的最好藉口,
現在阿信票房好,酸民可以說「明明就可以更好」
要是阿信票房差,酸民就說「看看這就是被那些年打壓的後果」
怎麼樣說都是九把刀錯,可以說是欲加之罪何患無辭。
在版上討論氣氛之熱烈,也是因為九把刀深入各大自己原本就熟悉的網路媒體,
看到某些推文寫著「九把刀還不快來回這篇文章」,就知道這種文章是衝著九把刀來,
你看變形金剛罵他爛片會要麥可貝親自來跟你道歉嗎?
最扯的是連九把刀上版來跟大家分享創作歷程,這種沒有導演做過的事情,
也有人會特地抓出來質疑是九把刀利用電影版作為特定宣傳工具......
請問如果是諾蘭來跟大家講自己創作黑暗騎士的過程,你會覺得他是利用電影版嗎?
說穿了,國片互鬥是假議題,若在數年前海角七號上檔前,
國片互鬥這種狀況是可能存在的,但現在的觀眾們是否把國片當國片,
還是將國片與其他電影以同等地位看待,我認為有待商榷,
「艋舺」全台票房兩億六千萬,「父後七日」全台四千萬以上,
「命運化妝師」全台票房兩千萬,「殺手歐陽盆栽」全台票房目前全台四千萬左右,
你拿著這些數字去跟海角七號那段時期的國片電影導演說,是會被笑的,
現在的觀眾是否純粹只是抱著「支持國片」的心態進戲院,值得質疑,
題材的突破、對大牌影歌星(如隨棠、蕭敬騰、阮經天...等)的大膽聘用,
某種程度上影響了觀眾的選擇,是不是國片根本不重要。
今天把戰場畫在國片裡面,我覺得對每一個導演都是輕視,
魏德聖早就不把眼界放在國片這一塊而已了,他要做的就是電影,沒分什麼國不國片,
抱持著國片就是柔弱書生需要小心呵護的想法,早就過時了。
※ 引述《lavieboheme (消失在迴轉的路口)》之銘言:
: 口碑場的問題何在,之前推文戰過不下數百回合
: 重新整理幾個爭執點,以及"那些年"提前一周全面舉辦口碑場對"阿信"的衝擊何在:
: 1.媒體宣傳效應:
: 之前板友shryuhuai對於上片前喬檔期與宣傳行程固定已經講得很清楚了,
: 就實際數據來看:
: 根據google新聞,若精確搜尋"那些年,我們一起追的女孩"
: 過去一個月新聞共78篇,過去一周就佔了50篇,
: 提前一周上映的策略,加上見面會、特映等密集活動宣傳,明顯有使其增加曝光。
: (網路新聞恐怕還沒那麼明顯,但平面與廣電媒體版面與時段有限,
: 而且跑電影線的記者就那幾位,阿信的新聞曝光恐怕又會被排擠掉一些。)
: 此般的媒體效益,在PTT電影板上等網路論壇發酵得更明顯。
: 以本板為例,自8/12計算截止,
: "那些年"的好雷及相關討論文章共186篇
: "阿信"只有77篇,版面與氣勢有受排擠自然不言而喻,
: 就算"那些年"的影迷不一定會去看"阿信",卻也沖淡該片集中發送口碑的好雷氛圍,
: 減低了消費者期待,及進戲院觀賞以加入討論風潮的誘因。
您表示新聞的統計是至8/12計算截止,而且您還把「相關討論文章」一起算進去,
這些相關討論文章中有多少是包含像這樣跟電影內容幾乎無關的分析、討論?
這樣的數據呈現不只單面向,也有誤導讀者的可能,
更可能倒果為因,將討論「那些年是否沖淡阿信宣傳」的文章增加一事
作為電影版上「那些年」沖淡「阿信」宣傳的理由,
但您很辛苦的統計,我相信這只是一個舉證上的失誤。
: 2.後續廳數與場次走勢:
: 首週票房受波及,勢必影響到後續廳數消長,影響整體票房甚鉅,
: 根據開眼,目前"阿信"廳數54,到星期五被砍多少就知道影響有多少了。
: "那些年"目前62廳(前幾天好像更多),這週正式上映應該至少不減。
本週上映強檔「絕命終結站5」,熱播數年基本盤影迷少說票房數千萬,
這部片上來會不會影響阿信,相信大家心裡有數,
然而您刻意忽略其他電影的上映狀況,只將廳數和場次侷限在「那些年」的影響上,
讓我想到一個笑話,某鄰近鐵軌的小鎮調查生育率遠高於其他小鎮,
學者認為鐵軌對生育率會有影響,但其實真相是火車開過去的最早時段把一堆人吵醒,
鎮民們早上沒事幹就作一些床上運動,所以生育率提高。
阿信的廳數如果被抽,可能是那些年的影響,也可能是其他電影的影響,
只把那些年抓出來比較,不夠嚴謹。
: 4.客源重疊:
: 一直有人說這兩部片客源不會重疊,不要對阿信那麼沒信心,
: 儘管這是一個無法用統計實證的東西,但隨便列舉兩片共通因子:
: a. 國片魂 (不可否認,部分學生與藝文族群的確對國片有較高認同)
: b. 青春熱血 (體育熱血 vs. 把妹/格鬥熱血)
: c. 某年齡層的懷舊氣氛 (80年代橫跨90初 vs.90年代中後)
: d. 本土新生代明星 (彭于晏、林辰唏 vs. 陳妍希、柯震東)
: e. 取材自導演真實人生,有相關系列作品 (紀錄片 vs. 小說)
: g. 同性質節目宣傳 (大學生了沒 - 瞄準年輕學生族群
: 小燕之夜 - 分享人生故事與創作理念的感性訴求。)
: ......等等。
: 當然兩者在題材上對各年齡、性別族群的吸引力不盡相同,
: 但的確有相當一部分的重疊,說沒有影響是不可能的。
: (除了我本人在內,身邊也遇過不只一位朋友對這兩片都同時感興趣。)
您自己都說無法用統計實證,又舉出您自己所認定的因子作為共通點,
您這樣主觀認定的共通點是否真的會影響消費者在電影院選擇時的決策,值得商榷,
更何況,在我看來,「阿信」的題材以體操為背景,「那些年」的題材則是以戀愛為主,
前者預告主打「實現夢想」後者主打「奪回青春」,
我也可以說兩者差異很大,客群不會重疊,
我可以以自己觀察到的狀況說那些年的客群一定以大學以下年輕學生為主,
尤其是九把刀的既有書迷,
而阿信的客群一定以大學生以上族群為主,女性族群的可能性又增加(此為新聞內容)
而上面兩推論都是統計實證上可以看得到的東西,直觀的在戲院觀察就能看出,
您身邊遇過不只一位朋友對兩部片同時感興趣,我身邊也不只一位朋友只對一部感興趣,
推論的原因人人會說,只是利用的目的不同。
: 又有人會說,先看A再看B不就好了?
:
: 但同檔期競爭的,不就是消費者有限的時間與荷包嗎?
: 院線片的"新"本來就是此產品的一大訴求,
: 再者"阿信"本週末廳數與場次若因為同業競爭減少,
: 後續消費者選擇的方便性與意願也會降低,對票房當然有影響。
: (還有人說,為什麼不說"那些年"是搶"車2"與"星際飆客"票源?
: 基本上這兩個都是好萊塢娛樂片,一個是主打動畫&親子族群,一個是特效爽片族群,
: 票房衝擊最大的當然還是語言文化、劇情元素最近似的"阿信"。)
前面解釋過了,國片互相衝擊是假議題。
再下來就是大家最喜歡的「恥度問題」了
: 1. 突然宣布提前一周全台上映:
:
: "那些年"不但辦了七夕特映(這還合情合理),
: 後來更突然宣布以六十多廳的全面啟動之姿辦口碑場,而且連發到上映前,
: 每天雖然只有三場,但也都集中在午晚間的好時段。
: 幾乎可說是偷天換日的"提前上映",
: 不論是為了吸票房或是拼口碑站穩腳步,
: 破壞了之前之前喬好的檔期,這樣的作法真符合道義?
: (同性質的大片避免兩敗俱傷通常會喬,
: 人際關係圈密切、片型又近似的本土電影就更不可能不喬了。)
: 事實結果證明,兩片北市票房勢均力敵,
: "那些年"的平均單場票房甚至好上不少,
: 實質上早就超出"口碑場"的原有意義。
: 新聞:《那些年》3天撈1287萬 國片口碑場吸金王
: http://blog.udn.com/beansprout36/5546429
老話題,各位的比較總是會說「那些年」比「阿信」高,
但是憑甚麼阿信一定要比那些年高?今天一部片拍得好,票房不好會有很多因素
因素是哪些上面寫很多了,但是全推給那些年真的是欲加之罪何患無辭,
老說那些年衝著阿信來,但一直把那些年和阿信抓來比的人不是各位嗎?
就問一句,今天如果口碑場票房沒這麼高,大家會不會出來罵發行商?
你反過來想,若是這部片本質很差、沒辦法吸引這麼多人,在口碑場時大家看完了,
首周票房會多悽慘?您自己不也引用表示首周票房很重要嗎?
: 2. 柿子挑軟的吃
: 如果是為了躲魏導的"賽"片,又何苦犧牲"阿信"?
: "那些年"體質不錯又有書迷基本盤撐腰,同期新片只有"絕命終結站"一個敵手。
: "阿信"同期有"星際飆客"、"車2"兩大片,與眾多藝術小片夾殺,
: 要突圍已經不容易,又來"那些年"落井下石,票房衝擊不在話下。
: 3. 說好的一起奮鬥呢?
: 九把刀認不認識"阿信"劇組? 有沒有說好一起奮鬥呢?
: 以下文字引用自九把刀部落格:
: http://www.giddens.tw/blog/post/35301205
: "話說其實整場頒獎典禮,我都在跟林育賢導演互傳簡訊,彼此打氣,
: 後來「翻滾吧!阿信」得獎,我真的很替林導開心。
: 阿信拍得真的很有誠意,實至名歸,很大慰藉了我這邊沒有得獎的心情。
: "巧的是,頒獎典禮後阿信與那些年的慶功宴選擇的店家,竟然是在正對面!
: 所以囉我們吃吃喝喝結束後,我就帶著柯震東與陳妍希到阿信的場子去喝香檳,
: 感染一下阿信劇組的喜氣,莫名其妙的連我自己都變得蠻開心的,
: 我想,這就是電影的魔力吧哈哈哈哈!
: 拍片的人箇中辛苦與快樂,一下子就把大家的距離拉得好近,
: 香檳杯亂敲亂喝亂吆喝,完全就是太歡樂了。
: 真希望八月快點到來,「翻滾吧!阿信」與「那些年,我們一起追的女孩」
: 就可以再度並肩作戰了。"
: 上面這段話我想真心的成份不假,但如今看來卻也有點諷刺。
: 當然商場上只有利益與風險,沒有情義。
: 只是九把刀不厭其煩親自上網路與讀者互動,
: 時常把"熱血"、"愛"、"真心"等字眼掛在嘴邊,
: 無論有意無意,行銷的無非是一種真誠的形象,與單純、理想性的精神。
: 如今這種突襲式、不顧道義與他人死活的發行策略,
: 如某知名影評人所言,是否符合其本人所說的"熱血精神",就留給大家公評了。
發行商的做法,我不予置評,也無法反駁,是對是錯圈內人比較內行。
然而片商和九把刀之間,何者擁有較大的權力可以決定上映方式、宣傳方式等等,
我認為眾多網友都高估了九把刀的決策權,別忘了,他可是第一次拍劇情長片,
什麼宣傳什麼口碑場,我相信他一定這幾個月才第一次聽說,
發行商怎麼決定他有什麼權力去阻止?但是大家只戰九把刀不戰福斯,
明顯是以「阿信好可憐」之名行「我就是賭爛九把刀」之實,
會被這些文章影響的人是否從一開始就不會去看阿信或那些年?
會上網討論這些事情的人,對於電影消費的涉入感本來就比較高,
更別提原本就對九把刀可能有成見的人,會不會本來根本就不會去看,
但是也順著大家的討論說一句「本來想看的現在都不想看了」,
營造出一種好像真的會有影響的錯覺;
而「那些年」是否真的打擊到「阿信」,
這樣的議題討論無非是偏頗而失客觀的討論方式,
如我所說,阿信的敵手不會只有那些年,當絕命終結站也對阿信造成衝擊時,
是否連這一份的影響都會被算在那些年頭上?
更別提w板主明顯涉入本議題太過嚴重的賭盤舉辦,擺明想陷那些年於不義,
電影版被有心人營造出「反九把刀」的氣氛,
與之相比我覺得R板主做事公私分明,板主高度當下立見。
對於本議題我的意見僅至於此,不再多作回覆,底下開放插劍補刀噓文說我是刃犬迷。
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at 2012-12-10T09:33
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at 2013-05-28T13:32
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